Transfer tax for renewal passport?

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Transfer tax for renewal passport?

Postby woodchuck » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:34 am

This past week I went to Migraciones to change my address from Lima to Huaral on my CE.
I was told there would be no (or minimal) costs to do this.
I handed them my Renewal Passport which is required by the US every ten (10) years.
I got worried when the person started crunching numbers on a calculator.

I was told I had to pay a transfer tax fine for my Renewal Passport; 41.50 for each month of 2018 & 42 soles for each month of 2019.
I have never heard of such a transfer tax & feel the US Embassy should have advised me of this.
Has anyone experienced this & what does the actual law state?
Thanks in advance for your help.


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Re: Transfer tax for renewal passport?

Postby 69roadrunner » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:15 am

Why would any US government agency be obliged inform you of any foreign taxes?
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Re: Transfer tax for renewal passport?

Postby woodchuck » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:49 am

Because I want to be living legally in Peru!
I don't want to be surprised & upset over a transfer tax I knew nothing about.
Someone had to be aware of this transfer tax!
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Re: Transfer tax for renewal passport?

Postby Formidable 1 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:20 pm

Better pay up, Woodrow.
You wouldn't want to run afoul of the legal system.
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Re: Transfer tax for renewal passport?

Postby 69roadrunner » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:15 pm

woodchuck wrote:This past week I went to Migraciones to change my address from Lima to Huaral on my CE.
I was told there would be no (or minimal) costs to do this.
I handed them my Renewal Passport which is required by the US every ten (10) years.
I got worried when the person started crunching numbers on a calculator.

I was told I had to pay a transfer tax fine for my Renewal Passport; 41.50 for each month of 2018 & 42 soles for each month of 2019.
I have never heard of such a transfer tax & feel the US Embassy should have advised me of this.
Has anyone experienced this & what does the actual law state?
Thanks in advance for your help.

Are you saying those are monthly fees? Over 900 soles total? What about 2020? Will there be more fees then?
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Re: Transfer tax for renewal passport?

Postby woodchuck » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:36 am

The fine for failing to transfer a renewed passport is currently 42 soles a month for 2019.
Once you pay the fee, your passport is stamped at Migraciones; I doubt there are any further fees.
I am hoping Alan or someone can get a copy of the law & post herein.
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Re: Transfer tax for renewal passport?

Postby Formidable 1 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:10 am

woodchuck wrote:The fine for failing to transfer a renewed passport is currently 42 soles a month for 2019.
Once you pay the fee, your passport is stamped at Migraciones; I doubt there are any further fees.
I am hoping Alan or someone can get a copy of the law & post herein.


So how much do you owe total?
900 soles like the OP mentioned?
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Re: Transfer tax for renewal passport?

Postby Alan » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:00 am

woodchuck wrote:The fine for failing to transfer a renewed passport is currently 42 soles a month for 2019.
Once you pay the fee, your passport is stamped at Migraciones; I doubt there are any further fees.
I am hoping Alan or someone can get a copy of the law & post herein.


Can you post what the documentation your received from Migrations said in Spanish? I'd be happy to do some cursory searching on the web.
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Re: Transfer tax for renewal passport?

Postby woodchuck » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:46 pm

Migraciones placed a square stamp toward the front of my passport that reads (the letters are a bit smudged):

SUPERINTENDENCIA
NACIONAL DE MIGRACIONES
GERENCIA DE REGISTRO MIGRATGRIO
SUA-GERENCIA de REGISTROS de EXTRANJERES
INSCRIPTO COMO
PERMANENTE
No. CE ____________________
Lima _______________(date)
The person stamping my passport scribbled
a few letters (I guess his signature).

Maybe this is a new thing, but I have never heard of this before.
Thanks, Alan for your time.
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Re: Transfer tax for renewal passport?

Postby Alan » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:04 pm

Hi,

More specifically, the concept of what you are being billed for, in Spanish.
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Re: Transfer tax for renewal passport?

Postby woodchuck » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:49 am

All that was mentioned was a "transfer tax", sorry.
As you can see, my renewal passport was stamped.
Maybe this is a new tax on expats?
Thanks for your help.
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Re: Transfer tax for renewal passport?

Postby Formidable 1 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:31 am

woodchuck wrote:All that was mentioned was a "transfer tax", sorry.
As you can see, my renewal passport was stamped.
Maybe this is a new tax on expats?
Thanks for your help.


Here's a thought. Get them to fax you the "transfer tax" explanation.
Then copy and paste it into a word doc then post it here.
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Re: Transfer tax for renewal passport?

Postby Alan » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:05 am

Sorry, Woodchuck, I couldn't find anything online, and can't really understand why the Peruvian Govt. would charge this kind of a fee, unless they expected you to have notified them of a change in your passport number when it was renewed, though this would be more of a fine than a tax. I wish I could tell you more. It seems the best moment to have gotten the info was when you were at the window, but I know that language difficulties and impatient bureaucrats make that difficult.

What I did learn while surfing the web was that since last year the US (or rather the IRS) is going after back taxes of expats living abroad, using passport renewal as a choking point. https://www.hrblock.com/tax-center/irs/ ... -passport/
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Re: Transfer tax for renewal passport?

Postby woodchuck » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:40 am

You are probably correct, the money I had to pay was a- FINE even tho the Migraciones agent called it a tax.
I was never aware there was a fee to register a new/renewal passport.
I also paid an 18-19 soles fee (besides the FINE); this must be the fee to register a new/renewal passport.
All expats should be aware that you need to register a new/renewal passport or you will be subject to a monthly FINE of 42 soles a month in 2019.
Thanks for your help Alan
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Re: Transfer tax for renewal passport?

Postby Alan » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:54 pm

woodchuck wrote:You are probably correct, the money I had to pay was a- FINE even tho the Migraciones agent called it a tax.
I was never aware there was a fee to register a new/renewal passport.
I also paid an 18-19 soles fee (besides the FINE); this must be the fee to register a new/renewal passport.
All expats should be aware that you need to register a new/renewal passport or you will be subject to a monthly FINE of 42 soles a month in 2019.
Thanks for your help Alan


Okay, but just to be clear to anybody who reads this later, we are still speculating at this point, though it sure seems like the most likely scenario. Hopefully someone else will pitch in with more information.
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Re: Transfer tax for renewal passport?

Postby woodchuck » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:40 am

I agree Alan; I am surprised no one has offered any more information.
I apologize as I am still confused about what transpired.
Thanks for your help.
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Re: Transfer tax for renewal passport?

Postby woodchuck » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:31 am

I have continued to try to find answers to my post & I believe I have succeeded.
Immigration law was changed in March 2017 by Legislative Decree No. 1350.
This turned into Supreme Decree No. 007-2017-IN *Rules of Procedure".

From the Migraciones web site discussing fines:
3. Not updating your personal information on your Foreign ID Card (Carné de Extranjería) within 30 days after the change took place (change of domicile, civil status, employer, etc.).
In 2017, this fine was 40 soles, now in 2019 - 42 soles a MONTH!
A new passport # would be considered an "update of personal information".
My new passport was stamped by Migraciones to show my personal information was updated & FINE paid.

Hope this helps other expats so they are not surprised at Migraciones when making changes on their CE.

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