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how much for a highway bribe?

Postby Choripán » Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:59 pm

Does anyone know what the standard payment is for a highway bribe/extortion attempt in Peru? I just returned from a two week road trip along the northern coast. I was hit up for bribes twice by police at checkpoints, one going and one coming back.

The first time I didn't grasp what was going on, and got away without paying anything. The officer, who was alone, asked for a "remembrance gift" and I told him I didn't have anything in the car I could let go of at the moment. But I promised to bring something special for him on my next trip through Chimbote. I wasn't playing stupid because I actually was stupid. Later I realized what had happened.

The second time was just this afternoon, outside of Huacho, at a large checkpoint with at least a dozen cops hanging around. The police officer who stopped me demanded 200 soles and threatened to keep my drivers license if I didn't pay up. I told him I didn't have that much money unless he was willing to take a credit card. A senior officer came over and made some threats. At that moment the first officer saw some change I had set aside for the peaje sitting on my dash and told me to give it to him. So I did. I don't know exactly how much it was, but I'm guessing around 30 soles. They let me go after that.

In both cases I wasted a lot of time, theirs and mine, because I don't fully understand the system. I think on future trips I just want to give the police whatever the going market rate is so that I can move on as quickly as possible.

Does anyone know what it is? Thanks.


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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby kellyono » Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:52 pm

I think it depends on the infraction. If there really was no infraction they will say lots of things are wrong with the way you are driving/your license/your car. They will try to say multiple things to scare you into thinking that you owe a lot of money and that they are doing you a great service by letting you go with whatever is in your wallet. Don't fall for it- they don't want the trouble of the paperwork at the police station so they will very rarely write you an infraction, and actually, if you have an international license I don't think they can write you a valid ticket at all. I say max give them 20 soles-- keep it separate from your other money so they can't see you digging through lots of bills to find the one you will give them... change is good for this also.

Being in the tour business we get pulled over a lot. Most the time I say I don't understand what they are saying and say that I need to write their name down and talk to my embassy so I know what is going on. When I say this they let me go, but are angry.

Another "solution" we have been thinking about doing is having all of our documents and licenses copied and notarized. You give the police only your copies and if they try to bully you by saying you will not get your documents back unless you pay an obscene amount, just leave.

And finally, I will say that at those large checkpoints when they point at you to stop and along the road when the police are on foot with no vehicle close by, we don't stop at all--- I should knock on wood, but this has been our easiest solution yet.

I know these guys don't get paid very much and this is the only way they can really make money but it is not fair for them to take advantage of anyone they think has money. Especially since when you actually do have a problem they don't help you-- or they make you pay for the "help". Long story short-- A few months back our car got stripped in San Bartolo in mid day with people, vendors, and police everywhere. It took us 20 minutes of convincing the cops that they needed to question people to see if they had seen anything. After that we had to pay S./20 for them to write a report. One week and $3,500 later we got our stuff back from the mafia who laughingly informed us that they pay the police to not mess with their "business".
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby euroman » Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:56 pm

In and A\around Tarapoto, there are regular checkpoints. And when I travel to Yurimaguas or Moyobamba, I always pass a checkpoint. I got stopped often and they just ask for my driving licence, tarjeta of my motorbike and SOAT. Because all papers are valid, they always let my pass. They never ask me for money.


My advice is never give money to the cops and if they hassle you, go to the nearest commisaria and make a denuncia.
If they say that you have to pay a fine then they must give you a form. And fines are never paid in cash along the road or at a commisaria. They must be paid at a bank.

Also remember, paying a bribe is a crime.

And at the end, the police don't have too much to say in Peru. Often criminals have more rights.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby Remigius » Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:07 am

Choripán wrote:In both cases I wasted a lot of time, theirs and mine, because I don't fully understand the system. I think on future trips I just want to give the police whatever the going market rate is so that I can move on as quickly as possible.


Police in the provinces always do these kinds of things and local people know that once in a while they have to give them a "propina". Many times when I was in a taxi in the highlands, police would pull us over and tell the taxi driver he sped, even though this was clearly not the case. It's just a way for cops to lift their monthly pay and usually they ask 20 to 30 soles, but since you're a foreigner, they tried to go for the jackpot.

euroman wrote:Also remember, paying a bribe is a crime.


If you offered that bribe, yes.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby roddd » Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:54 am

my wife and i have been stopped by police several times as our car has black windows
and they demand money but as soon as they see i have both of my arms covered in tattoos
they seem to change their minds, my wife reckons its because they think i am in the Mafia :)
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby tomsax » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:58 am

I was stopped a many times on a motorbike in Peru and asked to pay bribes. Like euroman I have never paid out of principal, even when technically I was committing an infraction (loss of side mirrors) just arguing that NOBODY with a motorbike in that area had side mirrors. They always backed down in the end. I was always polite and friendly in refusing and it seemed to work. If I had been asked to pay an actual fine I would have preferred that even if it had been a lot of hassle. I know there is always the question, what if.. (then circumstance where you really HAVE to pay the fine) ...but really these circumstances are very very rare. This position has meant I have sometimes had to wait long periods of time while they realise I really won't pay but so far it has always worked.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby teamoperu » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:22 am

There are times I wish I had one of those counterfeit 20s handy... :evil:
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby jvimage » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:01 am

I am by no means an expert, but I've been told rates vary depending where you are.

I've found most city cops will stop you if you drive erratically like; cabbies, micros, bus drivers and everyone else. Is as if they carry a gringo radar detector, they spot you and stop you. I myself choose to drive gingerly and avoid getting trapped in everybody else's traffic frenzy.

To me, is best to get into an internal Zen like state-of-mind, and flow like a drop of oil in rushing waters...

Planning ahead, avoiding rush hour, choosing less-travelled alternate roads and key dates also helps. I've been told by a few locals that road cops are on “special” look-out for the - easy to spot- driving gringo in the middle of the month (quincena), and toward the end of the month, when bills are due for most.

They'll even set-up road blocks in key urban areas and in the provinces to slow down traffic and squeeze the perplexed for some extra soles.

Last year while doing field work in Huaras we were stopped by the highway police. They just wanted to hassle our group asking for ID's and such. We were on deadline and had to press-on, so we settled quickly with the police for a couple bowls of hot soup at the nearby watering hole.

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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby gringuano » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:34 am

I the 3 cases that I gave money to a cop here in Lima I gave one a Coke, one a coffee, and the last time was S/5.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby Gary » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:56 am

Riding my moto I get stopped all of the time, my record is four times in one day, it's well known that the corrupt policia problem is more prevalent in the north, I rarely get stopped in the sur. A lot of the stops are friendly, the police just want to look at my moto and ask where I'm going, I don't speak any Spanish until I know what is going on, if they are looking for a bribe I just shrug my shoulders and tell them I don't understand, after a few minutes they usually get frustrated and let me go. I also carry a "dummy" wallet with very little money and an excellent copy of my drivers license and documents. About two weeks ago I was returning from Ecuador and was stopped at one of those large roadblocks, maybe twenty policeman, my documents were in order so they decided to charge me with speeding, they started at 500 soles then quickly dropped it down to 200, I told them I didn't understand what they were saying. They called over the Captain that was running the operation, he spoke some English, It got heated, I pulled out my wallet opened up and told him that the policia up the road had already taken most of my money ( I've done that several times before), I only had 30 soles in the wallet, they took it and sent me on my way. That is the only bribe I've ever paid.

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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby adrian Thorne » Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:09 pm

I have a big advantage. My uncle in law is a Generale de policia, based in Surco. I also carry a full membership to Casino De Policia. I have been stopped many times but as soon as they see the membership card next to my CE. It goes no further. My wife ripped in to them once for trying to charge me with speeding passed a school entrance, but as soon as we mentioned good old uncle they were gone. I have never paid a Bribe in four years.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby El Tunche » Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:41 pm

police salaries are miserable ...
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby euroman » Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:06 pm

It's always the same people who are asked for a bribe.

I have been stopped at police checkpoints numerous times and they never asked me for a bribe and I wouldn`t even think of paying one.

Sometimes, they ask where my safety helmet is. I tell them that I didn't know that it is required or I say that my helmet got stolen that morning. They say is an infraction not to wear one. But they just ask me to wear one next time. They never asked for money.

I am always driving slow so they can never say I have been speeding.

I always pass the same checkpoints and they already know me. Those days when I approach a checkpoint, I wave my hand in the air and they wave back and don`t even stop me anymore. Most of them know me already and know I have all the required documents.

I thinks if you pay a bribe, then you are stupid. If you don't pay, there's nothing they can do and will do. They know if you file a denuncia then they will be in big trouble. My advice is never to pay a bribe. And if you commited an offence, then ask them for form. REMEMBER: FINES ARE NEVER PAID TO A POLICE OFFICER, THEY MUST BE PAID AT BANCO DE LA NACION.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby bmike1 » Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:50 am

adrian Thorne wrote:I have a big advantage. My uncle in law is a Generale de policia, based in Surco. I also carry a full membership to Casino De Policia


Cool, My father in law is a cornel in the national police.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby tupacperu » Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:37 pm

Choripán wrote:Does anyone know what the standard payment is for a highway bribe/extortion attempt in Peru? I just returned from a two week road trip along the northern coast. I was hit up for bribes twice by police at checkpoints, one going and one coming back.

The first time I didn't grasp what was going on, and got away without paying anything. The officer, who was alone, asked for a "remembrance gift" and I told him I didn't have anything in the car I could let go of at the moment. But I promised to bring something special for him on my next trip through Chimbote. I wasn't playing stupid because I actually was stupid. Later I realized what had happened.

The second time was just this afternoon, outside of Huacho, at a large checkpoint with at least a dozen cops hanging around. The police officer who stopped me demanded 200 soles and threatened to keep my drivers license if I didn't pay up. I told him I didn't have that much money unless he was willing to take a credit card. A senior officer came over and made some threats. At that moment the first officer saw some change I had set aside for the peaje sitting on my dash and told me to give it to him. So I did. I don't know exactly how much it was, but I'm guessing around 30 soles. They let me go after that.

In both cases I wasted a lot of time, theirs and mine, because I don't fully understand the system. I think on future trips I just want to give the police whatever the going market rate is so that I can move on as quickly as possible.

Does anyone know what it is? Thanks.


No way will I pay, have them take you in. Beside I only carry 50 soles cash at a time (debit cards and credit cards also). Now if this was a checkpoint and you did not break any laws I would mark (stamp like the money changers) the bills before hand and pay them, then proceed to a high ranking offical , mayors office.

I do not mind bribes of 20 to 50 soles indirectly , but when it gets to be too much or to many police (they signal ahead), I will not pay.

I was stopped crossing the border in Tumbes and the police and taxi driver took me to me behind a storefront and told me I had to pay $100.00 (dolares). There were a few more police gathering and reviweing my documents. They took their time passing my doc around.

I told them I would not pay un centavo :-). They gave me my paper and let me go. Took another cab to the border gave to cab driver 20 soles when it only cost 10 soles, when I go to leave the car he screams out that I did not pay. I tossed another 10 soles in his face in front of the police and kept going.

IN Chiclayo I took an illegal cab, crossed a police checkpoint and the police wanted money. I told them no, the police told the cab drive that he had better return with 10 soles. When I got out of the cab I gave a 10 sol tip to the cab driver (felt bad for him), I refuse to pay the police directly in any case,

The problem is they are like bullies, if they recognize that you paid once, they will shake you down (like the street kids who beg for money on your block)
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In Chiclayo they know I do not pay, and I had a stamp made with my name and I always hit up my bills before going out or leaving the ATM (money trail). You can also scan your cash, that way the serial number can be traced .
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby sanbartoloian » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:04 pm

My wife and I have never paid a bribe. One thing I do is on ocassion is I eat at a restaurent that serves the police dinner most nights. About once or twice a year I buy everyone one dinner. That has never amounted to near much in regard to money for everyone and I have encouraged them eveytime to have something else. It isn't a bribe. It's jesture of thanks for doing a job very few want for pay that sucks.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby jimuazu » Wed May 04, 2011 6:29 am

We came down from the central highlands a couple of days ago with a collectivo taxi pumping 80s US rock all the way, bracing myself against the ceiling on every corner (middle seat). A very efficient service, and I feel toned all over now. It was on-the-edge all the way, but he didn't seem to be making any errors of judgement, so not so bad.

Anyway, the taxista performed the fastest bribe I ever saw. Coming into a town around a corner overtaking, the police came into view. He was obviously guilty of something, but instead of stopping, he just slowed down barely enough to pass the policeman a S/10 note (bill) and then he accelerated away. Really, the policeman had to snatch it as he passed. I guess that' shows how established the rates are.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby Choripán » Wed May 11, 2011 12:23 pm

My parents and I just completed a 4100+ kilometer driving tour of Peru. It took four weeks, and we were hit up six times for bribes by the police. I followed the various advice of this thread and ended up not paying a cent. Thanks very much to everyone for your suggestions.

Here is the strategy I used to deal with corrupt police during our trip. It's a methodology of sorts, a set of best practices distilled from painful experience and what others have advised:

- Just say no to any demand for payment on the street. And then say no again. And then keep on saying no until they give up. They will threaten to take your drivers license, your passport, your car, and even to take you to jail if you don't pay. But stay strong. Say no as many times as it takes. Eventually they will cave. That is what I have learned in the past month.

- Follow the rules of the highway with as much precision as possible. If an unexpected sign says that the speed limit in the middle of the empty desert has dropped from 100km per hour to 35km per hour, reduce your speed to less than 35km per hour. And then creep into the inevitable shakedown checkpoint at this painfully slow rate, watching the corrupt cops fidget and wait and wait to pull you aside. When they tell you you were speeding anyway, just say no, and get ready for their next threat, which is sure to come.

- Some cops will keep insisting on one infraction after another until you to pay them something. They can be remarkably creative in their fiction. When a speeding ticket is implausible, they will check your vehicle for reflective stickers. And if you have the stickers, they will check to see if you have a reflective detour triangle in your trunk. And if you have that, they will check to see if your spare tire is the same brand as the other tires. And if you are lucky enough there, and they can't make up any more laws off the top of their head, they will check your passport for a valid entry stamp. And if you have a valid visa they will say you don't anyway. This literally happened to me. The cop held my passport, said I was in the country illegally, even though the stamp was right there on the page in front of him. He walked away for 15 minutes, talking on his cell phone, threatening all the while to keep my passport. He said if I gave him money he could talk to the immigration office to help me. I kept saying no and finally he caved.

- Telling the cop that you will make a denuncia at the comisaria instead of paying the bribe is an effective but explosive solution. Prepare for the officer to go completely insane with rage. This happened to us outside of Puno. It was a large shakedown on the road to Juliaca, one designed for Easter Sunday collections I guess. The cop, who wore his helmet and reflective sunglasses during the entire conversation, became physical with me at the very word "denuncia" and said that failing to "respect" the police in Peru was itself a punishable offense. This went on for a while, and it was very ugly. I thought my mother was going to have a heart attack. Eventually the jefe cop came over and asked what was up. He looked at my papers for ten seconds and then said, "let him go." This enraged the first cop even more. He made more violent threats but eventually obeyed his boss. I was literally shaken afterwards, and it pretty much ruined the day. For this reason, I now avoid the denuncia approach.

- If things get ugly, try to get the jefe de policia involved as soon as possible. My impression is that tourists are informally off-limits when it comes to shakedowns. Lower level cops, looking for a little extra, seem to think that tourists are an opportunity for even greater earnings. I've noticed that the jefes seem annoyed by this, and generally let you go immediately.

- I fully intend to try the hang-ten-soles-out-the-window-without-slowing-down strategy the next chance I get. What a great solution. Fewer headaches, and probably less costly over the long run.

- Finally, I should point out that there are many wonderful non-corrupt police in Peru. One, in Cusco, was friendly beyond description. He helped us find a place to park our car over night, and gave great restaurant advice. Corruption is obviously a chronic problem in this country, but it would be bigotry to suggest that it's endemic.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby euroman » Wed May 11, 2011 8:54 pm

I have never been ask for bribes by the police in Peru.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby adrian Thorne » Wed May 11, 2011 11:12 pm

euroman wrote:I have never been ask for bribes by the police in Peru.

I think that the problem is worser in the UK. When I lived in the UK, I have been asked 6 times for a bribe by police.


Don't you ever say that about the British Police. It does not happen and if you offered a bribe I guarantee you would end up in the cells. It is a serious criminal offence and treated accordingly. I am talking with sixty years experience not five minutes like you.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby rubble » Thu May 12, 2011 12:50 am

Euroman
Please, don't leave us hanging! Where, when and why were you asked for bribes in the UK.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby markr » Thu May 12, 2011 12:53 am

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euroman wrote:I have never been ask for bribes by the police in Peru.

I think that the problem is worser in the UK. When I lived in the UK, I have been asked 6 times for a bribe by police.


Don't you ever say that about the British Police. It does not happen and if you offered a bribe I guarantee you would end up in the cells. It is a serious criminal offence and treated accordingly. I am talking with sixty years experience not five minutes like you.

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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby roddd » Thu May 12, 2011 6:56 am

euroman wrote:I have never been ask for bribes by the police in Peru.

I think that the problem is worser in the UK. When I lived in the UK, I have been asked 6 times for a bribe by police.


in 35 years i have never been asked for a bribe by the police in the uk and i doubt if many other people have either :D
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby adrian Thorne » Thu May 12, 2011 7:19 am

Belgium Bull and our miss leading information can be very detrimental and sometimes dangerous to honest information seekers. I have seen it time and time again from a certain quarter. Whilst it is funny at times, trying to undermine others or submitting nonsence to increase popularity does not help.
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Postby markr » Thu May 12, 2011 7:53 am

adrian Thorne wrote:Belgium Bull and our miss leading information can be very detrimental and sometimes dangerous to honest information seekers. I have seen it time and time again from a certain quarter. Whilst it is funny at times, trying to undermine others or submitting nonsence to increase popularity does not help.

Neither does it do much for the credibility of his fellow countrymen, some of whom post some interesting and educational information here.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby euroman » Thu May 12, 2011 1:49 pm

How much for a bribe: nothing.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby euroman » Thu May 12, 2011 2:27 pm

Never pay a bribe to police.

They can treaten you and say whatever they want but when it comes to the point, they have nothing to say.

And if they hassle you, always make a denuncia without exception.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby rubble » Thu May 12, 2011 3:33 pm

But Euroman, I asked about when you had to pay bribes in the UK. You, not your friends or friends of friends or links to old stories. I would like to know about the times you had to pay and why?
Thanks very much.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby jimuazu » Thu May 12, 2011 9:24 pm

I think that bribing the police in the UK would be a one-way ticket to deep doo-doo land. They'd leap at the opportunity to put you through the wringer. I've never heard of it, even 2nd or 3rd hand.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby markr » Fri May 13, 2011 1:54 am

euroman. It's no good removing your origional post if it has been embodied in the reply from another member. It is now a part of history. So please answer the questions about the allegations you made.
Where, when and why were you asked for a bribe from th U.K. police.

You said.

"euroman wrote:I have never been ask for bribes by the police in Peru.

I think that the problem is worser in the UK. When I lived in the UK, I have been asked 6 times for a bribe by police."
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby adrian Thorne » Fri May 13, 2011 7:43 am

adrian Thorne wrote:
euroman wrote:I have never been ask for bribes by the police in Peru.

I think that the problem is worser in the UK. When I lived in the UK, I have been asked 6 times for a bribe by police.


Don't you ever say that about the British Police. It does not happen and if you offered a bribe I guarantee you would end up in the cells. It is a serious criminal offence and treated accordingly. I am talking with sixty years experience not five minutes like you.


A response with clarification would be appreciated. I am assuming you were stopped for a road traffic offence and would make the following observations.
In the Britain they are the speed camera capital in Europe with the highest number of speed and safety cameras recorded. There are no on the spot fines from police as all cases are processed through the courts. The penalties are extremly severe including penalty points and a record kept on the central computer system. I suggest you read the following article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... urope.html
All statements are varified by the relevent authority, whether in the IK or abroad and if found to be false a prison sentence can be imposed or immediate deportation.
You state 6 cases of bribery. The police are fully aware that if this was to happen they would be reported for their action. The British public are resolute in this matter. All officers have a rank and number advertised on their uniform and there is, for wistle blowers, an anonymous telephone number to report these offences. All complaints are treated with the upmost seriousness and officers are suspended while investigations are made.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby euroman » Fri May 13, 2011 2:26 pm

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A response with clarification would be appreciated. I am assuming you were stopped for a road traffic offence and would make the following observations.
In the Britain they are the speed camera capital in Europe with the highest number of speed and safety cameras recorded. There are no on the spot fines from police as all cases are processed through the courts. The penalties are extremly severe including penalty points and a record kept on the central computer system. I suggest you read the following article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... urope.html
All statements are varified by the relevent authority, whether in the IK or abroad and if found to be false a prison sentence can be imposed or immediate deportation.
You state 6 cases of bribery. The police are fully aware that if this was to happen they would be reported for their action. The British public are resolute in this matter. All officers have a rank and number advertised on their uniform and there is, for wistle blowers, an anonymous telephone number to report these offences. All complaints are treated with the upmost seriousness and officers are suspended while investigations are made.


I never paid the bribes because I pretended not too speak English and I had never money on me. If you are British then you are less likely to have problems with them, But if you are foreign and driving around in a banger with foreign number plates then you get stopped more. When I moved to the UK, I had no money for deposit, slept in my car for a few months and washed myself at service stations that had toilets, washbasins and sometimes showers.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby roddd » Fri May 13, 2011 3:31 pm

euroman wrote:
adrian Thorne wrote:
A response with clarification would be appreciated. I am assuming you were stopped for a road traffic offence and would make the following observations.
In the Britain they are the speed camera capital in Europe with the highest number of speed and safety cameras recorded. There are no on the spot fines from police as all cases are processed through the courts. The penalties are extremly severe including penalty points and a record kept on the central computer system. I suggest you read the following article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... urope.html
All statements are varified by the relevent authority, whether in the IK or abroad and if found to be false a prison sentence can be imposed or immediate deportation.
You state 6 cases of bribery. The police are fully aware that if this was to happen they would be reported for their action. The British public are resolute in this matter. All officers have a rank and number advertised on their uniform and there is, for wistle blowers, an anonymous telephone number to report these offences. All complaints are treated with the upmost seriousness and officers are suspended while investigations are made.


I never paid the bribes because I pretended not too speak English and I had never money on me. If you are British then you are less likely to have problems with them, But if you are foreign and driving around in a banger with foreign number plates then you get stopped more. When I moved to the UK, I had no money for deposit, slept in my car for a few months and washed myself at service stations that had toilets, washbasins and sometimes showers.


I think there are more people with a screw loose in the US and Europe than in Peru.
I left Belgium in 1993. I worked as a flight attendant for airlines in the UK, Holland, Luxembourg, France and in Ireland. For my job I travelled all around the world.
I visited 238 countries. (some strange ones too like North Korea, Afghanistan, Lybia, Somalia, Iraq, Palestina, Iran, Birma, Angola, Zaire...)
I spended little money and saved a lot. I also bought some properties in the UK that needed some work, fixed them up and sold them at a profit. At the age of 33 I retired and live of my savings. I`ve met my novia when travelling to Lima. Moved here, bought a luxury house in a condominium with swimming pool.

I prefer to do it this way, rather than working in Europe till I am 70 and then have to live of a marginal pension because most of the money I paid in taxes won`t be a benefit to me but used by the government to fund the lazy lifestyle of the ones living of wellfare and asylumseekers

why would you sleep in a car and wash in service station if you had bought some properties in the uk and had saved a lot of money from your job as a flight attendant
you are starting to lose me here a bit
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby euroman » Fri May 13, 2011 3:50 pm

Rodd, I was 18 when I moved to the UK. I worked a lot saved money for a deposit and bought a so so flat.
Did some work to it and sold it for more. And used the profit as a part to buy the next things. I was working all the time.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby markr » Fri May 13, 2011 11:15 pm

Euroman. You should write a book, it'd be an instant best seller. Even I would buy a copy.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby adrian Thorne » Sat May 14, 2011 12:58 am

I am not sad I am just waiting up for my wife, who has been out with the girls. (second time this year) Euroman very kindly gave an interview at Larcomar the other day and a copy of the transcript is available in News and Views and it is an amazing read. Totally factual and confirmed withing the sacred pages of ExPat. Well worth a visit and please do not forget your hanky. Always remember these documents could contain sensitive material. It should not be shown to minors or people of a nervous disposition.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby rubble » Tue May 17, 2011 3:17 pm

Choripán

Thanks for a very informative post.

Were any of the police asking for bribes female? I ask because I've been told that woman police officers are a lot stricter than their male counterparts.

Thanks
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby adrian Thorne » Tue May 17, 2011 10:27 pm

rubble wrote:Choripán

Thanks for a very informative post.

Were any of the police asking for bribes female? I ask because I've been told that woman police officers are a lot stricter than their male counterparts.

Thanks


Fujimori had a plan when he was in office to eradicate corruption by having a total female transit police force and he intended to introduce this over a three year period. Sadly it never happened.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby Choripán » Thu May 19, 2011 9:53 am

rubble wrote:Were any of the police asking for bribes female? I ask because I've been told that woman police officers are a lot stricter than their male counterparts.


In my experience the highway corruption phenomenon in Peru is virtually 100% male. Only once has a woman been involved, and her presence was fleeting. Interestingly, it was also the ugliest of encounters I've had on the road here.

It happened outside of Puno, the road to Juliaca, on Easter Sunday. The shakedown was one of the large coordinated national police affairs, not a bored local cop looking for conversation or some home-baked cookies. I was flagged down by a female officer, but when I pulled over a male officer approached and did all the extorting. The female officer stayed with us for a while, as we haggled over whether he would take my vehicle and passport down to the comisaría in Puno, or whether I would give him several hundred soles right there and then. When the discussion heated up, and I threatened to make a denuncia, the woman suddenly disappeared. I didn't notice at first, when I got back in the car, having been released by El Jefe on my own recognisance, my parents noted how quickly she had vanished. They took this as evidence that the male officer was acting out of line, even by the standards of the corrupt national police.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby sanbartoloian » Thu May 19, 2011 6:34 pm

If I am ever going to pay a bribe to the police I would wish it would be a motorcycle police woman. Those pants and great high black boots. They are hot. I am never sure, but I think they might pull you over and spank you. "If" you have been bad!!!
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby Remigius » Thu May 19, 2011 8:02 pm

sanbartoloian wrote:If I am ever going to pay a bribe to the police I would wish it would be a motorcycle police woman. Those pants and great high black boots. They are hot. I am never sure, but I think they might pull you over and spank you. "If" you have been bad!!!


I think you're out of luck. Police women are not as corrupt as men.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby euroman » Thu May 19, 2011 9:30 pm

sanbartoloian wrote:If I am ever going to pay a bribe to the police I would wish it would be a motorcycle police woman. Those pants and great high black boots. They are hot. I am never sure, but I think they might pull you over and spank you. "If" you have been bad!!!


I guess Adrian has been spanked a lot. That's why he does everthing within the law.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby adrian Thorne » Fri May 20, 2011 9:03 am

euroman wrote:
sanbartoloian wrote:If I am ever going to pay a bribe to the police I would wish it would be a motorcycle police woman. Those pants and great high black boots. They are hot. I am never sure, but I think they might pull you over and spank you. "If" you have been bad!!!


I guess Adrian has been spanked a lot. That's why he does everthing within the law.


I had a very useful piece of help once from my GPS. I was stopped by a moto policia for speeding past a school. He was accompanied by a femail officer for support. They insisted that I had exceeded the 30 Kilometre limit, but as luck would have it I had reset the GPS before leaving home and it confirmed I had a maximum speed 27 Kilometres during my journey. The male officer was not happy but the femail immediated excepted the GPS and they backed off. So sorry Euroman no spankings to date. RSVP
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby adrian Thorne » Fri May 20, 2011 3:43 pm

Euroman I am sorry to see you have removed your comment, but I will answer as best I can.
I have no way of faulsifying my GPS, but if you have a solution and am prepared to share it I am sure somebody may be interested. I am very happy, if you would like me, to make arrangements for an introduction to the Confessional.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby euroman » Fri May 20, 2011 3:56 pm

adrian Thorne wrote:Euroman I am sorry to see you have removed your comment, but I will answer as best I can.
I have no way of faulsifying my GPS, but if you have a solution and am prepared to share it I am sure somebody may be interested. I am very happy, if you would like me, to make arrangements for an introduction to the Confessional.


Ok, I removed it. As it got nothing to do with the tread.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby adrian Thorne » Fri May 20, 2011 4:06 pm

euroman wrote:I look after my garden, I go to the market, clean the house, make food and bring my novia to and from work. During my free time, I go cruising with my motorbike.
When the weather is nice, I go to the swimming pool or swimming at the waterfalls. At weekends we often go (if it's not raining) to Moyobamba or Yurimaguas.
I want to do some part time work but don't know what to do? I was thinking about construction but friends of mine only have work in Lima. Maybe, I might go to the UK and do a summer contract with an airline.


Sorry Euroman I have no idea what this has to do with the thread and suggest you see news and views.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby M.Lockwood » Mon May 23, 2011 11:35 am

adrian Thorne wrote:
adrian Thorne wrote:
euroman wrote:I have never been ask for bribes by the police in Peru.

I think that the problem is worser in the UK. When I lived in the UK, I have been asked 6 times for a bribe by police.


You chat such rubbish Euroman.

I am from the UK, and have been stopped by the police a few times for small traffic offences, and I can assure you, it's not 'worse than Peru'.

You have a strange image in your head about Peru, like it's some sort of utopia.

It really isn't, Peru is one of the MANY poster children for corruption.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby chuck » Mon May 23, 2011 11:50 am

How much for a highway bribe?

See if they will accept Bush - but this might not work with female cops.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby adrian Thorne » Mon May 23, 2011 3:56 pm

chuck wrote:How much for a highway bribe?

See if they will accept Bush - but this might not work with female cops.


I tried it but they only drink best bitter and Guinness plus a chacer of Scotch.
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Re: how much for a highway bribe?

Postby euroman » Mon May 23, 2011 8:46 pm

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chuck wrote:How much for a highway bribe?

See if they will accept Bush - but this might not work with female cops.


I tried it but they only drink best bitter and Guinness plus a chacer of Scotch.


Adrian, you could try to bribe them with a cup of coffee from STARBUCKS :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: and a SUBWAY sandwich. 8) 8) 8) 8)

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