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Lima: 11 people shot during robberies in 10 days

Postby KenBE » Fri May 13, 2016 1:14 pm

It sounds like crime is getting really bad in Lima :shock: 11 people where shot (many of them did not survive) during the past 10 days:

Ya son once baleados por resistirse a robos en solo 10 días. En solo 24 horas, la cifra de heridos de bala en asaltos en Lima se elevó de 5 a 11 tras distintos robos a mano armada registrados en Jesús María, San Juan de Lurigancho y el Cercado de Lima.


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All of these victims where shot because they resisted when they were mugged. Some of these robberies happened in supposedly safe areas.

Are things really this bad in Lima? Has anyone noticed an increase in crime lately?


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Re: Lima: 11 people shot during robberies in 10 days

Postby Alan » Mon May 16, 2016 3:04 pm

I don't know if crime is up, but the perception of crime seems to be up, maybe as a result of all the election talk. There have also been, as you point out, a spat of really dreadful cases of violent robbery where the slightest resistance has been met with gun fire. In a couple cases it was teenaged schoolgirls that got shot. Very, very sad.

Did anybody watch the technical debate last night? The discussion between Gino Costa and Gral. Miyashiro was a highlight. The way it came across was the desk-top strategist against the hardened, experienced cop.
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Re: Lima: 11 people shot during robberies in 10 days

Postby gringolandia » Mon May 16, 2016 4:23 pm

There were four shots fired just outside a house in the Chacarilla area a few nights ago while my wife was there.

That's a pretty decent area where you wouldn't expect that.

Still not sure exactly what happened, but so far the best info we has is that the seranazgo were chasing a car and the people in the car shot four times at the seranazgo. The building security guy and a passerby witnessed the shots as the cars went by, but they weren't sure exactly who was shooting at who. We certainly hope it was not the seranazgo shooting, as that would be highly reckless, but at this point we don't know for sure.

The seranazgo were all driving around with sirens blaring for the next hour or so.

No one injured, thankfully.
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Re: Lima: 11 people shot during robberies in 10 days

Postby caliguy » Mon May 16, 2016 9:12 pm

gringolandia wrote:There were four shots fired just outside a house in the Chacarilla

not to steer of topic, but where is Chacarilla precisely.
every place has it's own spirit. you just need to tune into it.
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Re: Lima: 11 people shot during robberies in 10 days

Postby KenBE » Tue May 17, 2016 1:45 am

Two more young people shot: :shock:



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Re: Lima: 11 people shot during robberies in 10 days

Postby KenBE » Tue May 17, 2016 1:48 am

State of emergency could be declared in Lima:

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Postby Alpineprince » Tue May 17, 2016 8:02 am

gringolandia wrote:There were four shots fired just outside a house in the Chacarilla area a few nights ago while my wife was there.

That's a pretty decent area where you wouldn't expect that.

Still not sure exactly what happened, but so far the best info we has is that the seranazgo were chasing a car and the people in the car shot four times at the seranazgo. The building security guy and a passerby witnessed the shots as the cars went by, but they weren't sure exactly who was shooting at who. We certainly hope it was not the seranazgo shooting, as that would be highly reckless, but at this point we don't know for sure.

The seranazgo were all driving around with sirens blaring for the next hour or so.

No one injured, thankfully.

Seranazgo do not carry guns!
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Re: Lima: 11 people shot during robberies in 10 days

Postby gringolandia » Tue May 17, 2016 3:03 pm

caliguy wrote:
gringolandia wrote:There were four shots fired just outside a house in the Chacarilla

not to steer of topic, but where is Chacarilla precisely.


Southwest of Primavera & Astete. I believe the specific road was Jiron Monte Carmelo.
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Re: Lima: 11 people shot during robberies in 10 days

Postby gringolandia » Tue May 17, 2016 3:07 pm

Alpineprince wrote:
gringolandia wrote:Seranazgo do not carry guns!


Correct, but I've been told that they sometimes team up with police so there could have been an officer with a gun in the car.

But almost certainly it was the other car, since I don't think any trained officer would fire shots in a populated area without a clear target (The 3rd Law of firearms: Always Be Sure Of Your Target And What Is Behind It).
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Re: Lima: 11 people shot during robberies in 10 days

Postby KenBE » Tue May 17, 2016 3:18 pm

gringolandia wrote:But almost certainly it was the other car, since I don't think any trained officer would fire shots in a populated area without a clear target (The 3rd Law of firearms: Always Be Sure Of Your Target And What Is Behind It).


Well, according to this news story from yesterday a girl was hurt by a "bala perdida" fired by a police officer:

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Postby hatchepsut » Fri May 20, 2016 6:33 am

KenBE wrote:It sounds like crime is getting really bad in Lima :shock: 11 people where shot (many of them did not survive) during the past 10 days:

Are things really this bad in Lima? Has anyone noticed an increase in crime lately?


Welcome to Lima.
A city where most people live in poverty, a sky-high unemployment rate, a serious drugs problem. Gangs involved with narcotics run the city.

As a tourist who spends a few days in Miraflores and Barranco, you won't notice a lot but if you stay longer then very likely you will become a victim of a crime.

The crime rate is much higher than that the government publishes simply because most victims don't report the crime to the police. They know that the police won't do a lot because they are understaffed, underpaid and lack funds to tackle crime.

Everybody I'v met in Peru has been a victim of several crimes.
My gf lived in Lima for most of her life and ALL her relatives and ALL her friends have been a victim of crimes.

But everywhere, crime increases. The situation is particularly worsening in Europe. Due tot the influx of millions of desperate refugees from Africa and the Middle East crime increased. Lack of opportunities, no jobs and poverty drives people into crime.
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Re: Lima: 11 people shot during robberies in 10 days

Postby KJB17 » Fri May 20, 2016 8:03 am

My wife is from Lima and we are going to be relocating in the coming months to Lima. My wife says it can be dangerous. My question is is it really any more dangerous than any other major city? I am from Chicago and I work outdoors all over the city. I have seen every neighborhood good and bad there. Once it gets hot the bullets start to fly. Last year on the Fourth of July weekend in an eight hour period we had 40 people shot. There are armed robberies and assaults all the time in Chicago. I agree that just going for vacation you don't see everything. I have spent three months total in Lima and have seen some issues but not too much. Is it just that there is a spike in crime that is creating concern? Lima is a city of almost 10 million people so some crime is expected. It seems exaggerated to say everyone will be a victim of a crime or am I wrong? Some of our family have been victims of various crimes there but not all, not even most. When did the majority of the recent shootings take place? Were they during the day or were they late at night?
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Re: Lima: 11 people shot during robberies in 10 days

Postby KenBE » Fri May 20, 2016 9:36 am

KJB17 wrote:My wife is from Lima and we are going to be relocating in the coming months to Lima. My wife says it can be dangerous. My question is is it really any more dangerous than any other major city? I am from Chicago and I work outdoors all over the city. I have seen every neighborhood good and bad there. Once it gets hot the bullets start to fly. Last year on the Fourth of July weekend in an eight hour period we had 40 people shot. There are armed robberies and assaults all the time in Chicago. I agree that just going for vacation you don't see everything. I have spent three months total in Lima and have seen some issues but not too much. Is it just that there is a spike in crime that is creating concern? Lima is a city of almost 10 million people so some crime is expected. It seems exaggerated to say everyone will be a victim of a crime or am I wrong? Some of our family have been victims of various crimes there but not all, not even most. When did the majority of the recent shootings take place? Were they during the day or were they late at night?


There have been many discussions about crime in Peru vs other countries in the past on this forum so I won't get into that again. You can do a search on the forum and you will find several threads about that topic. Here are some examples:

viewtopic.php?f=33&t=28181
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=27617

I don't really know if crime in Lima has increased lately or if it is just that the Peruvian media is making it look that way (I am not in Peru at the moment). I do know that the state of emergency has already been declared in El Callao because of out of control cime and they are now considering declaring it in the whole city. It definitely seems like the Limeños are getting fed up with crime. A big march against crime has been planned:

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Keiko in favor of state of emergency in Lima:

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Postby gringolandia » Fri May 20, 2016 1:17 pm

KJB17 wrote:My question is is it really any more dangerous than any other major city? I am from Chicago and I work outdoors all over the city. I have seen every neighborhood good and bad there.


I'm also from Chicago, and from my perspective it is MUCH more dangerous here. There is a lot more crime in the areas I go to here than the areas I go to in Chicago. In Chicago I pretty much walk around without much a care in the world, but in Lima I am always watching out for anything suspicious and avoiding empty streets. Almost all of my extended family have been victims of crime. I figure it is just a matter of time for myself (though being a larger gringo who often wears a hat that has an picture of an FAL rifle on it, maybe I scare away some of the thieves).

The thing with Chicago is that most of the shootings are in very specific areas, and they are mostly between the gangs. Every now and then an innocent bystander gets taken out and that makes the news in a big way. But the gang killings are just reported as statistics... not really news as individual events in themselves.

You may have a different perspective depending on just how much time you spend in the bad neighborhoods in Chicago. I avoid the bad neighborhoods in Chicago as much as possible, and it is entirely possible to do so if you want. In Lima, you are pretty much forced to go to the bad neighborhoods sometimes to get things done. My favorite electronics store here in Lima is in a bad neighborhood I would never ever go to at night, but I go there in the day because I can't find the parts I need anywhere else.
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Postby sbaustin » Fri May 20, 2016 2:32 pm

gringolandia wrote:
I'm also from Chicago, and from my perspective it is MUCH more dangerous here.


I was in Chicago last week for work and had the same feeling as you. I don't know if it is more dangerous here in Lima or it just feels that way.
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Postby KJB17 » Fri May 20, 2016 3:57 pm

It is a long way from Wrigleyville to Bronzeville. In Chicago to really depends on where you are and what time of day it is. If someone is walking at 11 pm they are certainly exposing themselves to more harm than good no matter where they are. But I guess that leaves the question of why would someone live in a place where they expect to be a victim of armed robbery at any point in their life? At least in the U.S. we can carry guns. Is it more a matter of time and place in Lima? As mentioned before you can go to a certain store during the day but not a night. In many places here it is the same way. There is just no reason to go out to certain spots at night.
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Postby KenBE » Fri May 20, 2016 4:24 pm

KJB17 wrote: Is it more a matter of time and place in Lima? As mentioned before you can go to a certain store during the day but not a night. In many places here it is the same way. There is just no reason to go out to certain spots at night.


From what I have heard and seen robberies in Peru happen just as often during the day as at night. Several of the recent robberies/shootings took place during the day with lots of people around (like the one where the "cambistas" were shot in el Barrio Chino)



My Peruvian ex was robbed at gunpoint several times in broad daylight (in Chimbote and Trujillo (northern Peru), not in lima). Many robberies happen in taxis (one of the biggest risks in Peru is taking the wrong taxi imho).
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Postby KJB17 » Fri May 20, 2016 4:41 pm

One of my wife's cousins had a cab driver claim she handed him counterfeit bills and called the police on her. I am aware of scams like that but plain kidnapping and forced atm withdrawals is just crazy to me. From what I hear government action can be hit or miss. Is there any talk or plan on what is going to be done about this? Issues like this are certainly going to affect tourism. You would think the government would want to stomp that out as soon as possible.
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Postby KenBE » Fri May 20, 2016 4:45 pm

KJB17 wrote:From what I hear government action can be hit or miss. Is there any talk or plan on what is going to be done about this? Issues like this are certainly going to affect tourism. You would think the government would want to stomp that out as soon as possible.


Well, like I posted before the government is now considering declaring a state of emergency in Lima so maybe that will help somewhat at least temporarily, I don't know. I'm not sure how effective it has been in Callao.
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Postby KJB17 » Fri May 20, 2016 5:09 pm

Well I want to say thank you to all of you for the insight. Although we are going to be moving there shortly it is good to have an idea of what is going on. Hopefully things will calm down there soon.
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Postby Alpineprince » Fri May 20, 2016 6:28 pm

Glad I live in Miraflores, I feel safe anytime of day or night. :D
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Alpineprince wrote:Glad I live in Miraflores, I feel safe anytime of day or night. :D


If you barely leave your top floor flat and have 3 inch thick metal bars in front of your windows and 3 or 4 locks on your door then you indeed you can feel safe.

My gf was used to work in Miraflores and they snatched her handbag 2 times. And that was a 9 am and at 5.30 pm.

The worst thing is that nobody helped her. A young guy ran past her and snatched her handbag. She held on to the bag and felt on the floor. He stamped on her head and kicked in her stomach but eventually gave up and ran off. She was crying, her head was bleeding and her arms bruised.
Nobody came over to help her or called for help. It happened at the busstop at the Ovalo at Parque Kennedy. Just around the McDonalds.

The second time, it happened at the busstop opposite the Marriot. The robber succeeded in snatching her handbag. It was a smartly dressed guy who asked her if she knew where he could find a bus that goes to San Isidro. Suddenly, he grabbed her bag and ran off.

As my gf had no money or phone as her handbag got robbed, the reception at the Marriot allowed her to use the phone so she could call me.
I picked my gf up and we went to the Mardi Gras Casino as she wanted to warn a friend of her who works there that she has to be careful when finishing work. ...My gf then noticed the guy who robbed her in the casino. He was sitting at a slot machine. He didn't notice her. We went outside and called the police who arrested the guy. The security guard of the casino handed over the rucksack that the robber handed over for safe keeping when he entered the casino. My gf her handbag was still in his rucksack. He still denied stealing the bag. He said that he found the bag and was intending to bring it back. The guy was a foreigner.
(Not all criminals in Peru are Peruvian. There are loads of foreign criminals in Peru.)
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Postby sbaustin » Mon May 23, 2016 9:23 am

I live in MF too and although it is quite safe for the most part I have a friend that was robbed in Miraflores and another mugged at gunpoint in San Isidro during the day. For me this is why my perception of Lima is it is more dangerous as nobody I know back home really worries too much about getting mugged outside their residential house.

The gun shots and killings by my office in the financial district don't help the perception either however those people are generally targeted for taking large sums of money out of the bank.
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Re: Lima: 11 people shot during robberies in 10 days

Postby QuietDeer » Mon May 23, 2016 4:49 pm

After 3 years living here - San Miguel (the bad/ugly part by the Costenera) as well as Miraflores, I would say that we need to take extra care on the streets. Normally the victim of a robbery - even at gunpoint - is not hurt. I WILL say] from PERSONAL experience that 'YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN HERE' - DO NOT EXPECT THE POLICE TO HELP IN ANY CONSTRUCTIVE WAY - and that's if they even appear!!! Other than that - I feel safe enough.

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