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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby asgoodasitgets » Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:00 pm

Told you so... :?


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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby rama0929 » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:02 pm

renodante wrote:i'm glad i don't own anything or have any stocks. if i did, i'd be scared as hell right now.


I'm not worried. Think long term, it's short term thinking that got us into this mess.
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby renodante » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:35 pm

rama0929 wrote:
renodante wrote:i'm glad i don't own anything or have any stocks. if i did, i'd be scared as hell right now.


I'm not worried. Think long term, it's short term thinking that got us into this mess.


thanks, now you messed up my justification for not owning anything :evil:
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby rama0929 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:17 am

renodante wrote:
rama0929 wrote:
renodante wrote:i'm glad i don't own anything or have any stocks. if i did, i'd be scared as hell right now.


I'm not worried. Think long term, it's short term thinking that got us into this mess.


thanks, now you messed up my justification for not owning anything :evil:


Granted, ownership is a lot of work, and not for everyone... :mrgreen:

Many try to hustle, few know how. Another reason we're in this mess.
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby asgoodasitgets » Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:03 pm

Batten the hatches folks it's gonna get worse before it gets better even if we seem to be riding a wave momentarily, it will bottom out again for sure. The "DOW" is going DOWN. (do you think they planned it that way with that name? hehe)

The USA is going to go back on the Gold standard within 5 years. That means dollar revaluation. And there's a lot a dollars, and not much gold to go around.

A lot of people are going to lose their shirts.

50 million Americans on food stamps. Rich nation? Land of the free? I wonder if they all had to get in a line and line up what they would look like. It's an invisible digital soup line folks. Not good.

Protesters occupy Wall St, and the fat cats watch from their balconies and drink champagne and grin. Careful guys, in France they had a little invention called the guillotine for people like you. Manipulating food prices by re-selling the commodities on a ponzi market place rigged with corrupt regulators 100's of times over and turning them into thrice removed derivatives ponzis that further inflate the price, and elite financial interests using nanosecond computer trading is simply financial terrorism and actually kills innocent people half a world away.

It's gonna be RESET the ponzi time.

Only lets not start it up again.

SOUND MONEY = POLITICAL LIBERTY. Remember that.

One of my favourite websites http://www.mises.org - learn about how badly everyone on the planet has been scammed by the money scientists and their ponzi fraud. You won't hear this in the media unfortunately (but you should).
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby JoshuS » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:24 am

asgoodasitgets wrote:Batten the hatches folks it's gonna get worse before it gets better even if we seem to be riding a wave momentarily, it will bottom out again for sure. The "DOW" is going DOWN. (do you think they planned it that way with that name? hehe)
The USA is going to go back on the Gold standard within 5 years. That means dollar revaluation. And there's a lot a dollars, and not much gold to go around.
A lot of people are going to lose their shirts.
50 million Americans on food stamps. Rich nation? Land of the free? I wonder if they all had to get in a line and line up what they would look like. It's an invisible digital soup line folks. Not good.
It's gonna be RESET the ponzi time.
Only lets not start it up again.



Interestingly enough, just a few days ago this traderappeared on a BBC program pretty much telling how the sham works, how rigged the game is and who really controls it; whether or not his prediction and advice are correct to regular investors is irrelevant, one thing remains true though, he told it like it is.

Rastani wrote: "Alessio Rastani dreams of another global recession, the "independent market trader" told the BBC this week, because he knows he — and anyone who's prepared — can make money when that happens. Traders, he said, don't care if the European bailout plan works or not. They'll profit either way if they're smart." Euro zone is poised to crash. Governments don't rule the world, Goldman Sachs rules the world," added Rastani. And, "Goldman Sachs does not care about this rescue package, neither [do] the big funds."

"For most traders we don't really care about having a fixed economy, having a fixed situation, our job is to make money from it," he said. "Personally, I've been dreaming of this moment for three years. I go to bed every night and I dream of another recession."

Rastani said traders aren't the only ones who can benefit from the crisis. "When the market crashes... if you know what to do, if you have the right plan set up, you can make a lot of money from this."
"This is not a time right now for wishful thinking that governments are going to sort things out," Rastani said on an interview with BBC on Monday morning. "The governments don't rule the world, Goldman Sachs rules the world."


Soon after that, the establishment attack poodles went out of their way to discredit him calling him a fake, a phony, a hoax, a YES man, and a host of ad-hominem attacks typical of the zealots. Reality is, what he candidly said (and whether he was seeking attention or not) is true and nothing new about how the casino works and how "the house" controls it.
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby asgoodasitgets » Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:11 pm

Yep saw that. Everyone should see this - it's what I said in the first post / thread on this - get ready, prepared, don't think it's going to be fixed by the governments - this is engineered. But they will fail, too many people are wise to the agenda, so it's really I think now more of a case of not preparing against total devastation but rather mitigating the damage already done with intelligent honest legislation, liquidation of all the bad debt starting with the too big to fails and down from there and working to have a smooth transition from the old crony corrupt system to people driven ones of today / tomorrow. Maybe I'm optimistic, but that's what I think. The wave is coming, but it's already formed if that makes sense. Castles of sand will be washed away.
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby Alan » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:31 am

JoshuS wrote:Interestingly enough, just a few days ago this traderappeared on a BBC program pretty much telling how the sham works, how rigged the game is and who really controls it; whether or not his prediction and advice are correct to regular investors is irrelevant, one thing remains true though, he told it like it is.

Rastani wrote: "Alessio Rastani dreams of another global recession, the "independent market trader" told the BBC this week, because he knows he — and anyone who's prepared — can make money when that happens. Traders, he said, don't care if the European bailout plan works or not. They'll profit either way if they're smart." Euro zone is poised to crash. Governments don't rule the world, Goldman Sachs rules the world," added Rastani. And, "Goldman Sachs does not care about this rescue package, neither [do] the big funds."


Sure, the Eurozone is going through it's most difficult moments right now, and sure, anybody who invests with a mind that the rescue packages will fail and the EU comes apart at the seams will make money if this happens.

That said, to hold up Alessio Rastani as an expert seems a little far-fetched. He is an independent trader who owns a public speaking company and he is a self confessed "attention seeker".

Hey.. i am not saying he might not be right.. but he doesn´t have the background to begin speaking for all traders or to make the far-reaching statements that he comes out with.
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby rama0929 » Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:28 pm

Alan wrote:
JoshuS wrote:Interestingly enough, just a few days ago this traderappeared on a BBC program pretty much telling how the sham works, how rigged the game is and who really controls it; whether or not his prediction and advice are correct to regular investors is irrelevant, one thing remains true though, he told it like it is.

Rastani wrote: "Alessio Rastani dreams of another global recession, the "independent market trader" told the BBC this week, because he knows he — and anyone who's prepared — can make money when that happens. Traders, he said, don't care if the European bailout plan works or not. They'll profit either way if they're smart." Euro zone is poised to crash. Governments don't rule the world, Goldman Sachs rules the world," added Rastani. And, "Goldman Sachs does not care about this rescue package, neither [do] the big funds."


Sure, the Eurozone is going through it's most difficult moments right now, and sure, anybody who invests with a mind that the rescue packages will fail and the EU comes apart at the seams will make money if this happens.

That said, to hold up Alessio Rastani as an expert seems a little far-fetched. He is an independent trader who owns a public speaking company and he is a self confessed "attention seeker".

Hey.. i am not saying he might not be right.. but he doesn´t have the background to begin speaking for all traders or to make the far-reaching statements that he comes out with.


You'll probably want to change your avatar from an alpaca to an "establishment attack poodle" :P
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby JoshuS » Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:37 pm

Alan wrote: That said, to hold up Alessio Rastani as an expert seems a little far-fetched. He is an independent trader who owns a public speaking company and he is a self confessed "attention seeker".
Hey.. i am not saying he might not be right.. but he doesn´t have the background to begin speaking for all traders or to make the far-reaching statements that he comes out wit


Like I said:

Josh wrote: This trader appeared on a BBC program pretty much telling how the sham works, how rigged the game is and who really controls it; whether or not his (financial) prediction and advice are correct to regular investors is irrelevant, one thing remains true though, he told it like it is.

Soon after that, the establishment attack poodles went out of their way to discredit him calling him a fake, a phony, a hoax, a YES man, and a host of ad-hominem attacks typical of the zealots. Reality is, what he candidly said (and whether he was seeking attention or not) is true and nothing new about how the casino works and how "the house" controls it.


I've realize most of what's happening around the world is not being covered in the Peruvian media, not surprisingly so, "perception management" is very well carried out in countries like Peru. But to dismiss what is blatantly obvious means people are either ignoring history and not paying attention or most likely both.

Here's a little taste of what's been happening in the Wall Street Occupation (and growing) since last September 17th, and spreading already across cities like Chicago, San Franscisco, LA, Maine and others, soon Canadian cities like Vancouver and others.

'People aware Wall Street is real enemy'

Occupy Wall Street Protest Hits Seattle!

The Occupation of Wall Street

GLOBAL Revolution - OCTOBER 15TH 2011

Are you Alan organizing one in Lima - Peru? :lol:
http://15october.net/

On October 15th people from all over the world will take to the streets and squares. From America to Asia, from Africa to Europe, people are rising up to claim their rights and demand a true democracy. Now it is time for all of us to join in a global non violent protest.
The ruling powers work for the benefit of just a few, ignoring the will of the vast majority and the human and environmental price we all have to pay. This intolerable situation must end.
United in one voice, we will let politicians, and the financial elites they serve, know it is up to us, the people, to decide our future.
We are not goods in the hands of politicians and bankers who do not represent us.
On October 15th, we will meet on the streets to initiate the global change we want. We will peacefully demonstrate, talk and organize until we make it happen.
It’s time for us to unite. It’s time for them to listen.

People of the world, rise up on October 15th!


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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby Alan » Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:35 pm

JoshuS wrote:Are you Alan organizing one in Lima - Peru? :lol:
http://15october.net/



Nope, though I might show up to sell picarones to earn a few extra bucks.

You know, these new protests remind me of the anti IMF and anti-free trade rallies of the 1990´s. Same faces; same message - though today, in a context of higher unemployment and general malaise, these rallies might have more lasting power than the others did.
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby mammalu » Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:13 am

I've realize most of what's happening around the world is not being covered in the Peruvian media, not surprisingly so, "perception management" is very well carried out in countries like Peru. But to dismiss what is blatantly obvious means people are either ignoring history and not paying attention or most likely both.


Funny, up to 10 days ago, it was the most 'under-covered' news on TV here too, and we live next to New York City! It started to get more press coverage when Susan Sarandon and Michael Moore visited the Wall Street area.

Took note of your picarones idea, Alan. :wink:
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

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Alan wrote:
JoshuS wrote:Are you Alan organizing one in Lima - Peru? :lol:
http://15october.net/



Nope, though I might show up to sell picarones to earn a few extra bucks.

You know, these new protests remind me of the anti IMF and anti-free trade rallies of the 1990´s. Same faces; same message - though today, in a context of higher unemployment and general malaise, these rallies might have more lasting power than the others did.


I fear they will be very similar to those protests so they won't get widespread support because the message is just too simplistic as in "down with capitalism and the bankers" and nothing much else. There will be violence, a lot of mess to clean up and media coverage but nothing will change afterwards.

I think people thoughout the world have every right to be angry but for any protest movement to gather momentum it has to have a clear idea of what has gone wrong and what exactly should be done to remedy the situation for the future. That certainly isn't coming from these protesters.

If more people are to "unite" it needs to be around something that is more coherent, as in what specific "global change" are we talking about and what is meant by "true democracy". I think eventually there will be new ideas and a new agenda, and we will look back at these times as some sort of a revolutionary period in history. But so far these protests (and those of our self styled forum protester representatives) seem to be more a sympton of bad times rather than a clear solution to them. Lets hope that some of the protests evolve into something more useful in the future.

Not that I have a clear solution myself. I'm still grabbling for an understanding of what's going on. But the first step to wisdom is realising one's own level of ignorance!
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby falconagain » Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:04 pm

People that have been living of entitlements for several years and
selling their support and opinions deserve to be living under a bridge
or dying as a consequence of their inaction.
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Postby rama0929 » Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:24 pm

Full bellies, iPods, MacBooks, nice clothes, and $500 cameras. People look nicely groomed and dressed.

Nope, revolution ain't gonna happen anytime soon. People need to be pissed off. Hungry. Starving. Most those people there don't fit that bill.
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Alan wrote:
JoshuS wrote:Are you Alan organizing one in Lima - Peru? :lol:
http://15october.net/



Nope, though I might show up to sell picarones to earn a few extra bucks.


Capitalist pig! :lol:
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby el conquistador » Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:24 am

Josh wrote:I've realize most of what's happening around the world is not being covered in the Peruvian media, not surprisingly so, "perception management" is very well carried out in countries like Peru. But to dismiss what is blatantly obvious means people are either ignoring history and not paying attention or most likely both.


Most people in Peru don't even know what going on outside their village.
Very little people read newspapers. And the newspapers only cover local news.
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby tomsax » Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:50 pm

rama0929 wrote:Full bellies, iPods, MacBooks, nice clothes, and $500 cameras. People look nicely groomed and dressed.

Nope, revolution ain't gonna happen anytime soon. People need to be pissed off. Hungry. Starving. Most those people there don't fit that bill.


I didn't mean that protesters were going to overthrow governments and install any replacement. I am talking about old ways of thinking becoming discredited and new ways of thinking having to take their place. Certainly in Europe there will be severe winds of change.

In Europe people won't starve and if they did they wouldn't have the energy to protest anyway. We are talking about people who did have full bellies, nice clothes and an IPod a few months ago but will soon be without a job, and will hit relative poverty very rapidly. Most people aren't so stupid as to just blame the bankers but they will ask why in a time of austerity, governments pump money into the banks while the sectors they work in are allowed to go to the wall.
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Postby rama0929 » Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:08 pm

tomsax wrote: Most people aren't so stupid as to just blame the bankers but they will ask why in a time of austerity, governments pump money into the banks while the sectors they work in are allowed to go to the wall.


Gov't getting involved with the banks is what caused this mess.

Fact is, if Wall St were to go away tomorrow, the 99% would really be up sh-t's creek. If banks were to go away tomorrow, the 99% would be up sh-t's creek. Whatever investments people had for retirement, child's education, whatever, gone.

Lot of businesses in the NYC Financial District. Businesses, small and large and everything in between. Lot of people pass through there every day. What happens to them? Lot of people affected.

Chase, HSBC, Citi, whatever, if these banks were to go out, well, that's hundreds of thousands of people affected.

I'd imagine all these people would be on the dole. Well, how is gov't going to pay them if they don't have the tax revenue? All these people going on the dole as revenue goes down, that can't be good.
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

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Support your local credit union! 8)
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rama0929 wrote:Support your local credit union! 8)


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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby JoshuS » Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:48 pm

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The Statement Released By The Wall Street Protesters

Occupy Wall Street - Statement Release

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Declaration of the Occupation of New York City THIS DOCUMENT WAS ACCEPTED BY THE NYC GENERAL ASSEMBLY ON SEPTEMBER 29, 2011 As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies. As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known. They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage. They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses. They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation. They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization. They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices. They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions. They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right. They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay. They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility. They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance. They have sold our privacy as a commodity. They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit. They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce. They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them. They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil. They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit. They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit. They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media. They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt. They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas. They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. * To the people of the world, We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power. Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone. To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal. Join us and make your voices heard! *These grievances are not all-inclusive.
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby JoshuS » Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:01 pm

Here's an interesting documentary which will clue you into what took placed prior and after the casino collapse of 2007. It doesn't provide ALL the answers but is a good start for those who are still grabbling for an understanding of what's going on.... :roll:

Meltdown - The men who crashed the world (Part 1/4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zZ_JfROhOE

Meltdown - The Secret History of the Global Financial Collapse (Part 2/ 4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqBlVBhv ... re=related

Meltdown - The Secret History of the Global Financial Collapse (Part 3/4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBhAvUTW ... re=related

Meltdown - The Secret History of the Global Financial Collapse (Part 4/4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZwMIIJL ... re=related

Warning: Most of these images you may have not seen it at all in MSM. Watch at your own risk.
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby asgoodasitgets » Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:37 pm

Cool posts Josh, Mike. Kelly: credit unions still function on unbacked paper money that is going to go to zero in the coming weeks or months.

ZERO.

I don't believe the world will end, but it will look like it might for a moment there, or perhaps a while. Hang tight. It's wake up time! The world will no longer tolerate having it's resources manipulated with paper fraud. Resources are for human life and the pursuit of happiness not for control domination and the cause of misery and suffering.

All the heartless lost souls who thought this system was ok and just fine and dandy are going to wake up and realise it was a ruthless, evil and satanic cult they were participants in, and they will look back in sorrow and regret for what they have consented to. Time to repent people. It is not ok to steal the worlds resources, especially from the poor nations and then use that to enrich the elites while destroying freedom and liberty everywhere. More to the point there was no need to ever int he first place It has only made the majority of Americans and westerns all the poorer, losing life, liberty and prosperity to the elites who profited from the booms and the busts. But we all definitely bought into the global media / banking cult that's for sure at some time or another. REPENT!!! :D It doesn't mean you think you can change it right now, it just means that you recognise in your heart that it's wrong, that the world is F'd up and it can't go on that way that we have the brains intelligence and ideas to do way better.
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Postby rama0929 » Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:33 pm

As someone who understands the wide swath of territory between the "elite 1%" and those eating out of trash cans, I ain't worried. I doubt you and Josh are either 8).
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby Alan » Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:01 pm

asgoodasitgets wrote:Cool posts Josh, Mike. Kelly: credit unions still function on unbacked paper money that is going to go to zero in the coming weeks or months.

ZERO.


Okay... so for the historical record.. are you saying that the major global currencies will completely devalue within the next 6 months? Seems kind of drastic and I just want to make sure I am reading you correctly. It's quite a limb to climb out on.
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Postby Polaron » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:33 pm

Eight years later, I am still waiting for the so-called Amero to replace the greenback. I am concerned about a possible collapse of the dollar; after all, it has happened before (during the U.S. War of Secession, when the Mexican Peso was worth twice as much as the U.S. dollar, for example). The reckless spending on weapons of war combined with tax cuts for the wealthy that began in 1981 has been the principal cause of the budgetary mess we find ourselves in.

I look back fondly to the 1990s, when the policy of the U.S. government was to maintain a strong dollar. After Bush's narrow election victory in the Supreme Court in 2000, the policy changed to one of a weak dollar, and boy, are we paying the price.
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby bmike1 » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:51 pm

what is the benefit of a weak dollar?
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby rama0929 » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:57 am

bmike1 wrote:what is the benefit of a weak dollar?


US goods and services are cheaper in the global marketplace.
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby rama0929 » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:59 am

Polaron wrote:Eight years later, I am still waiting for the so-called Amero to replace the greenback.


Yeah, I remember that. Still waiting myself.
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby JoshuS » Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:34 am

JoshuS wrote:Here's an interesting documentary which will clue you into what took placed prior and after the casino collapse of 2007. It doesn't provide ALL the answers but is a good start for those who are still grabbling for an understanding of what's going on.... :roll:

Meltdown - The men who crashed the world (Part 1/4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zZ_JfROhOE

Meltdown - The Secret History of the Global Financial Collapse (Part 2/ 4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqBlVBhv ... re=related

Meltdown - The Secret History of the Global Financial Collapse (Part 3/4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBhAvUTW ... re=related

Meltdown - The Secret History of the Global Financial Collapse (Part 4/4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZwMIIJL ... re=related

Warning: Most of these images you may have not seen it at all in MSM. Watch at your own risk.


For those with short attention span disorder or no time to watch the documentary above, here's an interview with Chris Hedges who lays it out, the current state affairs and why "Occupy Wall St".

No way in US system to vote against banks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz5Rxhah ... _embedded#!

You won't hear this on MSM, hmmm I wonder why.
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby itsallgood » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:49 pm

So I watched the Meltdown documentary. Thanks for posting that Josh.

All said and done, I am not surprised by most of what was revealed. People are greedy and there are those who will go to any extent to satisy their need for power and money. Realisticly, it will happen again. I sincerly belive that because the people who who allowed it to happen this last time, were basicly repremanded with HUGE bonuses by their boards. They will just be smarter next time to cover their tracks. They don't give a poop who they ruin on they up to the status of elite.

Really, a lot of these guys should be serving prison time. The hardships they have caused millions of people is inhumane.

Here in Canada, all looks well but the banks have been dishing out the loans like the US was handing out those mortgages and WHEN the intrests rates start rising, there is going to be a lot of pain. Why? The latest statistics now show the average Canadian owing $1.50 for every $1 earned. Canadian bank profits are stagering such that even when people can't pay their loans, the banks will still be laughing but they will probably go to the government with tears in their eyes and walk away with billions of "bailout" money.

When will people really have had enough of these schisters?
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Postby asgoodasitgets » Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:03 pm

Hey itsallgood. good name.

A lot of people on the ground there seem to have no idea how to articulate what they are protesting about, but some do. They blame capitalism, but capitalism didn't cause this - as you just pointed out in your post. The problem is a lack of capitalism. In a capitalist system, you have a rule of law, so to start with all those guys at the top should be in jail, all their bad debt should be liquidated. And to start with, the Federal Reserve system is unconstitutional and fraudulent. It steals the wealth of everyone in the world because it is the reserve currency and it's backed by nothing, they can just print it endlessly.

What we need is capitalism, free market capitalism - and enforcement of the laws already on the books. None of this could have happened if the prosecution and the political climate was such that the law was enforced in the first place.

So some of them don't know what they're talking about when they blame capitalism (like Michael Moore) However some do, this guy knows what's going on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHYXNpC76Wc

When it gets down to it, I would say most people recognise the problem: greed, but they don't identify this particular greed as being criminal, they think that criminal behaviour is capitalism. It's not. Capitalism follows the rule of law. Mafia is not capitalism. Wall St - Goldman Sachs - that's mafia, not capitalism. Capitalism is about competition, mafia is about wiping out the competition. In a real free market capitalist system you have things that forbid anti competitive behaviour. Then you have people like John Rockefeller (thankfully dead) who said "Competition is a sin". Their idea was monopoly capitalism, crony capitalism, which is the mafia model of business, which is also a fascist model of business. You USE the government to control your market, corner it, protect it and create a cabal of co-dependency. America hasn't had free market capitalism for at least 100 years. It's a mafia system.

Here's proof it's mafia just look at this guy. I don't mean he looks Italian, I mean he looks like a consigliere for the mob.

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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby bmike1 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:41 am

asgoodasitgets wrote:Here's proof it's mafia just look at this guy. I don't mean he looks Italian, I mean he looks like a consigliere for the mob.

dude, that is out of line.
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby bmike1 » Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:40 pm

Have you seen the tabloids? They're saying another great depression is weeks away. I tell ya, I can't wait!
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Postby el conquistador » Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:45 pm

bmike1 wrote:Have you seen the tabloids? They're saying another great depression is weeks away. I tell ya, I can't wait!


I worked, I saved money and now I live of my saving. The economy doesn't interest me. It's a scam.
And the crisis doesn't affect me. Everythings is cheap in Peru.
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Postby rama0929 » Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:00 pm

el conquistador wrote:I worked, I saved money and now I live of my saving. The economy doesn't interest me. It's a scam.
And the crisis doesn't affect me. Everythings is cheap in Peru.


What, you actually worked for what you have?

Interesting concept :lol:
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby Polaron » Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:30 pm

bmike1 wrote:
asgoodasitgets wrote:Here's proof it's mafia just look at this guy. I don't mean he looks Italian, I mean he looks like a consigliere for the mob.

dude, that is out of line.


Gee asgood, I'm afraid I haven't heard of many Jewish consiglieri for the Mob.
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby asgoodasitgets » Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:11 am

el conquistador wrote:
bmike1 wrote:Have you seen the tabloids? They're saying another great depression is weeks away. I tell ya, I can't wait!


I worked, I saved money and now I live of my saving. The economy doesn't interest me. It's a scam.
And the crisis doesn't affect me. Everythings is cheap in Peru.


What will you do if hyperinflation of the USD kicks in like many are saying it will? If you live off your savings, but what if your savings gets destroyed by inflation and you can't buy anything. What if a loaf of bread becomes 1000 Soles ?
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby asgoodasitgets » Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:13 am

Polaron wrote:
bmike1 wrote:
asgoodasitgets wrote:Here's proof it's mafia just look at this guy. I don't mean he looks Italian, I mean he looks like a consigliere for the mob.

dude, that is out of line.


Gee asgood, I'm afraid I haven't heard of many Jewish consiglieri for the Mob.


Is he Jewish? haha, that would make it even funnier. The point of the comment though of course is that he has that look in his eyes / face/ and demeanour.
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Postby asgoodasitgets » Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:21 am

On this whole global collapse, I say, if this guy Ron Paul gets elected that would turn things around significantly. He wants to legilate to end the debt to the federal reserve that was created just to create the money base in the first place - if you don't know how it works almost every dollar of currency in circulation in the USA is counterfeit (a 1700's law defines a dollar as 300-something grains of silver) - but also in order to be able to print the notes the way the system works is they actually create a debt on the books - just book keeping really. He wants to legislate to wipe off $1.8 trillion of debt with one act! that would end the unconstitutional interest payments on that straight away which is nothing but theft. He then wants to cut the budget by $1 trillion in the first year, and balance the budget within 3 - 5 by ending about 5 major departments, but keeping social security and medicare.

If he gets in, expect to see a lot of these mal-investments, big failed / propped up banks allowed to go under, aggressive SEC / regulatory investigations into all the derivatives and fraud, and liquidation of all that as well. He is then going to remove the legal tender laws on the federal reserve notes and start printing metal backed constitutional certificates as money, and allow both to circulate through society. Since the fed notes are backed by nothing but book keeping they will not be mandated as being accepted for goods and services, except by the government for payment of debts and taxes owed TO the government. People will be able to refuse them otherwise, including for government contracts, if they wish.

By utilising the forces of the free market, instead of just ending the fed over night, he will avoid most of the pain associated with reversing the course of the American Republic and restoring order to the markets.

He also said he's going to close all 150 bases in the 750+ countries where America is stationed, and end ALL the wars except wars of defence. He's going to cut all this money from defence spending, but increase domestic defences (better protection for Americans). He's also going to end all foreign aid including aid to Israel (if that doesn't get him assassinated I don't know what will).

When you add all that up, he's like Kennedy on steroids, or a reincarnated Thomas Jefferson... If he gets elected, I'm calling it into the Pope.

I find all of this just utterly fascinating. I think the guy is a living legend and an economic genius.

If you look at all his policies, it's not hard to see these are radical, enormous and I say, enormously positive changes for America and the world, geopolitically, financially, and for society since he will liberate society by removing all these departments that regulate and control everybody's lives.
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby renodante » Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:17 am

When you add all that up, he's like Kennedy on steroids, or a reincarnated Thomas Jefferson


Kennedy, who started the Vietnam war, essentially.

Jefferson, who was instrumental in forming the Marine Corps, attacked the Barbary states without bothering to ask congress about it, and set the stage for the expansion the U.S westward, ordering to remove/wipe out the natives who lived there.

he was a great man, a hero, and he criticized empire, but let's not deify these guys and pretend they had hearts of gold, they were hypocrites at times, bigtime. they were politicians after all.

ron paul isn't going to save us, being a politician himself.
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby asgoodasitgets » Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:18 am

Does one 'super-corporation' run the global economy? Study claims it could be terrifyingly unstable

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... z1bQxFLleQ

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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby rama0929 » Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:47 pm

Waitaminute, you rail against corporate media, then post an article from the Daily Mail?

Daily Mail and General Trust
http://www.dmgt.co.uk/

Interesting.

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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby TonyLeslie » Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:35 pm

Renodante wrote "Kennedy, who started the Vietnam war, essentially"

I'm glad you explained that. Silly me, I thought the Vietnamese war essentially started around 1945-46 by the Chinese supported communists against the French and South Vietnamese.

Worse, I was always under the impression Ho Chio Minh, the North Vietnamese Communist leader officially declared war in Vietnam around 1959 to unite the whole country under one government.

But hang on! I am not an North American, so you might have different history books to what I read, but I was also under the impression one of the US presidents by the name of Trumen was the first President to send Arms and Military Advisors to Vietnam around 1950 to aid the French before they were evicted. I also think Eisenhower upped the anti to the South Vietnamese Army with advisors and arms during the late 1950's. I cannot remember Kennedy being president at that time but maybe you can.

I think Congress just supported Kennedy to increase the presence of troops to stiffen up the South Vietnamese Army initially and it snowballed from there. Without going into further detail, in the end, they and all their allies got their proverbial A***s kicked and were packed off out of the country..

Not withstanding a few tweaks to the story, but sometimes though, I think some of you blokes who write here are a bit loose with the truth.
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby bmike1 » Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:18 pm

Vietnam was not Kennedy's war, it was Johnson's. Kennedy was going to pull the US out but was assassinated before he could do so. Johnson then sent more troops [email protected]
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby renodante » Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:24 pm

TonyLeslie wrote:Renodante wrote "Kennedy, who started the Vietnam war, essentially"

I'm glad you explained that. Silly me, I thought the Vietnamese war essentially started around 1945-46 by the Chinese supported communists against the French and South Vietnamese.

Worse, I was always under the impression Ho Chio Minh, the North Vietnamese Communist leader officially declared war in Vietnam around 1959 to unite the whole country under one government.

But hang on! I am not an North American, so you might have different history books to what I read, but I was also under the impression one of the US presidents by the name of Trumen was the first President to send Arms and Military Advisors to Vietnam around 1950 to aid the French before they were evicted. I also think Eisenhower upped the anti to the South Vietnamese Army with advisors and arms during the late 1950's. I cannot remember Kennedy being president at that time but maybe you can.

I think Congress just supported Kennedy to increase the presence of troops to stiffen up the South Vietnamese Army initially and it snowballed from there. Without going into further detail, in the end, they and all their allies got their proverbial A***s kicked and were packed off out of the country..

Not withstanding a few tweaks to the story, but sometimes though, I think some of you blokes who write here are a bit loose with the truth.


the subject was U.S involvement in foreign wars and there's a reason why i said "essentially." Kennedy began the escalation that led to what we all know as "the Vietnam War (in the U.S). whether he ended up wanting to withdraw, the point is, he wasn't isolationist in any sense.

and being that you're a stickler for historical facts, the U.S didn't get its ass kicked out of the country, political pressure and lack of popular support led to a withdrawal. that's why the incompetent and under funded south vietnamese were able to hold of the north for another two whole years after the u.s left. its a popular myth that we ran out of there, we didn't.
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Re: Global economic collapse (including Peru)

Postby TonyLeslie » Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:57 pm

Don't take it personally renodante, my country and the French all received the same boot. The point of the exercise may be that you take a little more care in how you write these things.

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