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Torture video at the phone Store - the state of society.

Postby asgoodasitgets » Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:34 pm

This post has some very controversial adult only stuff in it by necessity. If you don't like that, stop reading now. Thanks to the forum hosts and owners for hosting such a great and liberal forum. I hope you'll permit this post.

Just thought I would share an experience I had today at a certain name brand phone and cable company store I won't mention waiting to pay my bill. They have a big TV showing cable movie. Often it's questionable material for public display, but today was just out of this world insane.

I'm standing in the queue, the shops pretty busy, about 10 people in front of me in the line, and this big TV is showing this woman torturing a naked man with something jammed in his mouth. She starts pulling out his front teeth with pliers one by one - you see everything. He is naked and chained up. She then starts to simulate sex with a gun into his toothless mouth. He then urinates all over the floor. I don't know what was going to happen next, I guess she was going to kill the guy.

There were children in the store, one in a stroller.

Here's what I saw Peruvians doing. Half turned away, about half watched it. The emloyees watched it, a couple of bimbos (sorry, that's what they looked like) near the front of the line were laughing when the woman pulled the guys teeth out.

So what does this say about society, that nobody had the guts to speak up to a lowly phone store employee and tell them to take their psycho-torture-porn off of public display. I bet you if you had any old time Peruvians in there they wouldn't have stood for that. As far as I could tell they were mostly younger generation people in the shop (under 40).

This is going on all the world over, that I've seen anyway. People are just gutless and afraid to speak up to injustices and wrongs that are now pervading deeper into society. Even when it is harming children. The peer pressure society is in full effect. Have we been trained to believe that the moral mind is the minority? I'd guess a lot of people would like to have spoken up, that it did offend their sensibilities and their own dignity to have that shown to them in a public place where there are children.

We're supposed to think it's normal that government minimum wage goons put their hands down people's pants, and feel our childrens genitals through their clothing because of the threat of "terrorism", when more people die of lightening strikes and honey bee stings (TSA in America - land of the "free" - free to grope children and old ladies and check babies for diaper bombs). We're supposed to cower and just pretend it's ok that phone store employees watch and force everyone else to watch, torture-porn while they wait to pay their bills. (by the way I know of the movie they were playing what it's about and I know it's not actually a torture-porn movie, but the scene on it's own sure is, even if it is disguised as a revenge film). It's all about submitting to this demonic culture of dehumanisation.

Whether you believe that the pervasive culture of dehumanisation is somehow centrally orchestrated, part of the spread and infiltration of some satanic culture, or whether it is just a general breakdown and disconnect in society from normalcy and morals - what is right and wrong - or just cognitive dissonance from the food and garbage on television? I don't know. Maybe since the USA and western nations adopted torture as a moral means justified by the end, the rest of the world just decided it's ok too - completely bypassing their own internal checks and balances. Maybe it's all of that, or something completely different. But there is a disconnect.

Finally one lady complained and one worker reluctantly changed the channel. A minute later, another worker at the store said "Hey, who changed the channel?" Another worker said "Somebody complained" and he said "What for?" He looked upset that he wasn't getting to watch his fun movie while he was at work standing there doing nothing. Another guy commented that it wasn't cool to put that on the TV. Everyone else seemed indifferent or kept silent.

My take on it is this: the generation that is alive today in most places in the world are largely like stunted children who have no capability for coherent adult thought patterns, critical thinking or clear decisions based on principle. They see the world in a child like way and care only about their own moment to moment cheap emotional gratifications, caring nothing of the effects on others locally or further afar. They don't have, and more importantly don't WANT the psychological tools to deal with things that are actually a problem in real life. It's time we all realised that Mummy and Daddy and older generations that were here to set the norms and create a relatively safe society for children to grow up in (the children are the future of the species, and they are extremely precious) are no longer here anymore, and we need to rediscover their wisdom and their ideals and morals very quickly and in a profound, visceral way. Of course I'm talking about basic societal morals - like not showing torture-porn imagery in a phone shop like it's no big deal for kids to see and actually pretty darn funny to teach them how to graphically torture someone by pulling their teeth out, so they can see what happens (urination out of fear) and stick a gun in their mouth to humiliate them further.

People who live moment to moment on their emotional gratifications are easy to manipulate. It is far too easy for propaganda and deceitulf news to prod buttons in their mind and sell them plenty of pre-scripted often fabricated news items in order to gradually over time condition people to accept certain realities that may not be so at all, and more importantly, certain outcomes and conclusions to those perceived realities. Such as that starvation is normal. Such as that war is normal, and constant, and that we can morally and financially afford such things. (Remember, Peru is funding Americas wars by buying billions in treasuries that will never be paid back with anything other than worthless paper).

It's why I have a lot of respect for poorer cultural areas in Peru. They have an innate distrust of authority, corporations and government. They are criticised a lot, but for all they are criticised, they hold on dearly to those things that DO mean something to them, and that they DO know. They'll get up in anyone's face, regardless of the consequences if they perceive a wrong. They don't have much to lose, and they know when they're getting stepped on. It's the poor in Peru that give me the most hope for this country, not the richer ones. Many are lovely, wonderful, great people. But many are heartless, uncaring, selfish, ignorant, and elitist (with no reason to be elitist). They talk to people who they view as being in an inferior economic class to them as though they were no more than servant trash. Anytime I see that, it still leaves me speechless. Anyway I'm not saying anyone's perfect, but there are tolerances and boundaries you know? I think it's that the poorer areas are in many ways a lot less indoctrinated than the richer ones, and they carry more wisdom from previous generations unlike many today who are trained to wilfully discard it without thinking about it first at least. It's why I also prefer Peru over countries like Australia or Canada. Many don't know they are as or more corrupt than Peru, but the difference is that in Peru you can SEE it. You KNOW where it is. In those other countries it is skilfully and insidiously hidden. There is corruption that makes cops asking for bribes on a traffic ticket look positively HONEST. There is ideological corruptions systemically from the heads of state down to the librarian at the primary school. The taddle tale society is also getting into full swing. There is not that age old instinct of people sticking together and standing up for one another. True, in Peru as well it is being lost, but it is still here.

The corporations and their minions (the governments) I'm sure would like us to be soft, supple minded, easy targets for their global take-over. So I'm super proud and really heartened when I see people saying no to dehumanising corporate trash culture in whatever form it takes. The corporations would have us believing that the right to vaccinate OTHER people against their will is the issue of the day, not freedom itself, economic and otherwise. That terrorism is the danger, not road accidents and a 100% cancer rate.

People who can tolerate dehumanisation like that are much more ready and willing, conditioned, and desensitised to put up with, and dare I say it, even learn to relish and enjoy other forms of real life human suffering and injustices they may see. Just my opinion. What do you think?

Be the change you want to see in the world. Don't put up with injustices. Speak out. Bureaucrats and sadistic morons are cowards who fear the wrath of a just society that will hold them to account. Don't be afraid of them. Speak up. Don't let the so called demons run amok.

Just some food for thought. And just think. What would Bob Marley say.

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Postby renodante » Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:43 pm

you see everything. He is naked and chained up. She then starts to simulate sex with a gun into his toothless mouth. He then urinates all over the floor. I don't know what was going to happen next, I guess she was going to kill the guy.


the movie is called "i spit on your grave" i believe, "dulce venguenza" in spanish. i can't believe that movie was being shown in a public store. it has rape scenes in it that are beyond graphic.
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Postby Kelly » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:11 am

Did you ask to speak to a manager? Did you voice an opinion? You say that a woman "finally" said something - how long did it go on before that while you were there?
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Postby mammalu » Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:47 am

Why didn't you say anything? El que calla, otorga Not criticizing you, just surprised as you are a very vocal person (or in writing at least). The situation was totally unacceptable at that store.

Your point is very very valid. I agree with you, but when you 'dilute' it with excessive (even though informed) comments, you kind of 'lose' your audience.
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Postby Alan » Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:20 am

Something similar happened to me last month when I was returning by bus from Cajamarca. The "terra mozo" put on a movie with nudity and sex scenes. A woman with a young daughter complained, and the steward changed the movie to something worse. She complained again and that too was pulled off... with the steward muttering under his breath load enough that I could hear. I was more offended by his attitude than by the movie and intended to complain to the manager, but when we rolled in early in the morning, I just didn´t have the energy. My mistake. Like Mamalu says, somebody has to speak up.
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Postby falconagain » Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:34 pm

People have always misunderstood freedom in Peru, they think that it allows
them to do whatever they want. Everyone needs to be reeducated about basic
morals. Unfortunately looks like this is only the beginning as things have been
going downhill for a really long time.
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Postby rama0929 » Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:57 pm

asgoodasitgets wrote:This post has some very controversial adult only stuff in it by necessity. If you don't like that, stop reading now. Thanks to the forum hosts and owners for hosting such a great and liberal forum. I hope you'll permit this post.


Nothing followed that was even remotely controversial, so I guess you're okay :lol:

So what does this say about society, that nobody had the guts to speak up to a lowly phone store employee and tell them to take their psycho-torture-porn off of public display. I bet you if you had any old time Peruvians in there they wouldn't have stood for that. As far as I could tell they were mostly younger generation people in the shop (under 40).


No one having the guts? It could mean that no one cared enough to say anything. You said yourself that half the people were watching...

Old time Peruvians (people for that matter) probably wouldn't have stood for it, but it's not uncommon that an older generation laments the younger generation. And the younger generation complains that the older generation needs to get with the times, because they're out of touch

Maybe since the USA and western nations adopted torture as a moral means justified by the end, the rest of the world just decided it's ok too - completely bypassing their own internal checks and balances.


:shock:

Finally one lady complained and one worker reluctantly changed the channel.


Out of curiosity, how old was she?

A minute later, another worker at the store said "Hey, who changed the channel?" Another worker said "Somebody complained" and he said "What for?" He looked upset that he wasn't getting to watch his fun movie while he was at work standing there doing nothing.


Was it one of those emo goth dudes? Been seeing a lot of them in Peru

Of course I'm talking about basic societal morals - like not showing torture-porn imagery in a phone shop like it's no big deal for kids to see and actually pretty darn funny to teach them how to graphically torture someone by pulling their teeth out, so they can see what happens (urination out of fear) and stick a gun in their mouth to humiliate them further.


Looney Tunes has about the same amount of violence. While the cartoons were originally marketed to adults, somehow children became the target audience.

Some Manga/Anime are a bit over the top as well (Akira).

The taddle tale society is also getting into full swing.


Part and parcel of a nanny nation and no one wanting to take accountability for their actions.

There is not that age old instinct of people sticking together and standing up for one another. True, in Peru as well it is being lost, but it is still here.

The corporations and their minions (the governments) I'm sure would like us to be soft, supple minded, easy targets for their global take-over. So I'm super proud and really heartened when I see people saying no to dehumanising corporate trash culture in whatever form it takes. The corporations would have us believing that the right to vaccinate OTHER people against their will is the issue of the day, not freedom itself, economic and otherwise. That terrorism is the danger, not road accidents and a 100% cancer rate.


:shock:

People who can tolerate dehumanisation like that are much more ready and willing, conditioned, and desensitised to put up with, and dare I say it, even learn to relish and enjoy other forms of real life human suffering and injustices they may see. Just my opinion. What do you think?


You're certainly welcome to your opinion.

I would suspect that very few people "relish and enjoy other forms of real life human suffering and injustices they may see"

Be the change you want to see in the world. Don't put up with injustices. Speak out. Bureaucrats and sadistic morons are cowards who fear the wrath of a just society that will hold them to account.


Not quite, as they think they're in the right, or else they wouldn't exhibit such behavior.
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Postby rama0929 » Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:58 pm

falconagain wrote:People have always misunderstood freedom in Peru, they think that it allows
them to do whatever they want.


Yep. And it's ok as long as they're behaviors of which they approve.
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Postby renodante » Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:54 pm

the younger peruvian generation, generally, makes your average u.s public school student look like a respectful chinese kid sitting attentitvely in class with her hands folded in front of her at her desk, sitting attentively.

and that's scary.
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Postby asgoodasitgets » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:40 pm

I did do something - forgot to mention that - I complained to the manager of the shop. She seemed to take it seriously, which was good. I was very clear about what happened.

Falconagain - that's a shame really isn't it because there is another side to Peruvians that I have found is *very* moral and very decent, and they have really good instincts, then there is some people, or perhaps another side, that is really.... well, in the words of Borat "not so much".

I agree: Freedom's only limitation is met when your actions infringe on the freedom of another. Simply because that's not freedom, that's taking freedom. I tend to think that only when we have a view of ourselves as part of instead of separate from everything else that exists can this be properly understood. If you see it as separate, you figure, well, it's not me, I can do whatever, and it doesn't affect me - so that's ok. But if you realise things are all connected, however you want to phrase that, that the little magic thing called "life" that we are all a part of is real - then realising that killing or taking freedom will also impact on your freedom makes the principle become simple and clear. "An injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" as Martin Luthor King Jnr said makes all the more sense from a wider perspective. Freedom is confusing for some because it means no freedom for thieves, criminals, etc. That type tend to have a hard time understanding it ??? maybe? hehe. Everyone else gets it, who doesn't want thier property or their person violated. Not had to understand.

If I was manager I would have fired about 3 people on the spot based on that incident, when people are just making a mockery of the customers and the working conditions, and acting like they're teenagers getting one over on the teacher... that's ridiculous isn't it for adults to be doing...

It's true sometimes these things have to get worse before they get better, but only if people don't choose to wake up about it and realise where it's going and stop it before it does get worse. Pretty sad though isn't it. It all stems from bad intent and we all have choice over that. I was at the post office again the other day, this guy behind the counter was super grumbly, I mean you could just see he was extremely P****d off, it was almost hard not to laugh, he was throwing the papers down, jamming the coins in the drawer, punching the keyboard. Another worker came to see him, and he just grunted in response, and the other guy was like "What's your problem?!" in front of the customers and he said something like "I have NO PROBLEM EVERYTHINGS GOOD" haha, and the second guy just laughed it off in a really good natured way, that made the grumpy guy calm down and see himself a bit I think.

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Postby asgoodasitgets » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:51 pm

American food (fluoride, MSG, aspartame, GMO, pesticide and fertiliser laden nutritionally deprived preservative and chemical loaded junk food etc) and American TV seem to make kids angry, confused, violent, and promiscuous.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence. :roll:

And I'm a big fan of (the "real") America, and an optimist about the future there, notwithstanding the potentially terrible times ahead before the changes kick in and people seriously wake up.

IMO, get your kids off junk food, off aspartame, MSG, GMO, fluoride, and all that trash and give them real food, and turn off the TV, and buy lots of books. Radio shows can be good, lots of very interesting stuff online. Radio makes you visualise internally, as does reading. TV takes that away, so the brain stops exploring ideas and understanding what it is hearing, and just becomes a subconscious receptacle. That's what TV does because visuals and especially imagery reach to a more primitive area of the brain, whereas the spoken word tends to engage critical thinking more. Well a lot more actually.
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Postby asgoodasitgets » Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:02 pm

Kelly wrote:Did you ask to speak to a manager? Did you voice an opinion? You say that a woman "finally" said something - how long did it go on before that while you were there?


To be honest it was pretty shocking for a second. I also have that kind of hesitation where you know, I am a gringo and while I live here and love the country I don't feel that it's my own country per se or my place to speak up... also there were no kids actually watching it at that particular moment, they were thankfully facing the other way in the shop... so having said that, if there were kids watching, I guess I would have probably just walked up and turned it off myself and not even asked. How long? Probably about 30 seconds before someone said something and they changed the channel.

I think people are spoiled. It's weird to say that in a country like this. But they are - those ones anyway and people who think that's just fine and dandy to throw society off a cliff. They'll have a hard time coming to terms with the fact that the psychopathic money system actually wasn't for their benefit at all, when the paper goes to zero. If people think that cannot happen, just realise that every paper currency in history has gone to zero usually within about 40 years, and the USD has lost 98% of it's purchasing power in the last 98 years. Not much further to go really! If it loses just 1% more, that will be 50% of what's left.

The impact will be felt here, and it will be the farmers and those who are so disrespected and put down by the city slickers that will save the country. Will they be thanked for that?

Sound money = political liberty. But people reject that because sound money must be adopted from a position of principle FIRST and then the benefits and prosperity shows itself. Because people want to get the benefit now now now easy easy easy, and not do the hard societal and political / economic work, even in their own brains to reason it out critically - others take their rights away and do it for them, and we get what we have, which is not good at all.

So I see all these things as linked / intertwined and interdependent issues all coming back to the same thing time and again and I'm going to sound like a bible basher (which I'm not) - morals, principles, justice, truth, and knowledge empowere by love in action.
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Postby diego.rico » Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:41 pm

People have always misunderstood freedom in Peru, they think that it allows
them to do whatever they want. Everyone needs to be reeducated about basic
morals. Unfortunately looks like this is only the beginning as things have been
going downhill for a really long time.


They said that in 1961 when girls wore hoop skirts and danced the Twist.

Every generation says the same nonsense.

"BACK IN MY DAY!"

The torture porn probably was being displayed purposefully by an employee just trying to be a jackass.

One thing is for sure, I bet a lot of people secretly went home and ordered this movie. Humans are depraved creatures, otherwise this sort of stuff wouldn't have a demand, and thus, not be filmed.

Long story short. Morals are created IN THE HOME and FROM THE PARENTS. Don't expect society to properly teach morals to your kids, because it most certainly will not.
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Postby rama0929 » Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:17 am

asgoodasitgets wrote:American food (fluoride, MSG, aspartame, GMO, pesticide and fertiliser laden nutritionally deprived preservative and chemical loaded junk food etc) and American TV seem to make kids angry, confused, violent, and promiscuous.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence. :roll:

And I'm a big fan of (the "real") America, and an optimist about the future there, notwithstanding the potentially terrible times ahead before the changes kick in and people seriously wake up.

IMO, get your kids off junk food, off aspartame, MSG, GMO, fluoride, and all that trash and give them real food, and turn off the TV, and buy lots of books. Radio shows can be good, lots of very interesting stuff online. Radio makes you visualise internally, as does reading. TV takes that away, so the brain stops exploring ideas and understanding what it is hearing, and just becomes a subconscious receptacle. That's what TV does because visuals and especially imagery reach to a more primitive area of the brain, whereas the spoken word tends to engage critical thinking more. Well a lot more actually.


I've got an even better idea. How about parents actually act like parents and raise their children? How bout Peruvians (not limited to Peru, but since this is a Peru forum...) get married and foster a stable household environment, instead of having children with multiple fathers? How 'bout the fathers actually help out and raise their children?

A two parent household will do more for a child than everything you listed above, provided the parents are "normal."
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Postby rama0929 » Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:20 am

diego.rico wrote:One thing is for sure, I bet a lot of people secretly went home and ordered this movie. Humans are depraved creatures, otherwise this sort of stuff wouldn't have a demand, and thus, not be filmed.


I was a bit surprised to find that they made a remake of that movie; I was wondering why they'd be playing a 70's film, they're few and far in Peru from what I've seen.
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Postby renodante » Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:18 pm

for the record the movie isn't porn, it's a horror movie. one i wouldn't recommend :lol:

my ex was a huge horror fan, and she didn't make it through the first half hour of that flick. again, no one in their right mind would show that thing in public, a kid watching 5 minutes of that would be changed for life, no joke.
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Postby rama0929 » Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:35 pm

renodante wrote:for the record the movie isn't porn, it's a horror movie. one i wouldn't recommend :lol:



I think "porn" in this context refers to the excessive torture scenes.
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Postby Polaron » Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:36 pm

I wasn't aware that slasher/torture flicks constituted pornography. Were there any scenes of fully naked people having sex - with the sexual organs of one or more participants fully exposed?

I suspect almost no Peruvians complained because they felt that:

1. It wasn't worth complaining about;

2. They enjoyed seeing the film;

3. They didn't care;

4. They couldn't be bothered;

5. Any/all of the above.
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Polaron wrote:I wasn't aware that slasher/torture flicks constituted pornography. Were there any scenes of fully naked people having sex - with the sexual organs of one or more participants fully exposed?


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Polaron wrote:I wasn't aware that slasher/torture flicks constituted pornography. Were there any scenes of fully naked people having sex - with the sexual organs of one or more participants fully exposed?

I suspect almost no Peruvians complained because they felt that:

1. It wasn't worth complaining about;

2. They enjoyed seeing the film;

3. They didn't care;

4. They couldn't be bothered;

5. Any/all of the above.


She was simulating sex with a gun in his toothless mouth.

I suppose that's just dandy for you?

We're very conditioned to accept things that are dehumanising and that are not appropriate for children.

Just think back to when you were 2, 3, 5 years old. Adults are there to protect children that's our duty of care.

I think there were a few people who cared, they seemed to be too scared to say anything. Sometimes people are just so shocked at what they are confronted with in society, they don't have the wits to think what to do. I know that has happened to me before.
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Postby Polaron » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:57 pm

asgoodasitgets wrote:
Polaron wrote:I wasn't aware that slasher/torture flicks constituted pornography. Were there any scenes of fully naked people having sex - with the sexual organs of one or more participants fully exposed?

I suspect almost no Peruvians complained because they felt that:

1. It wasn't worth complaining about;

2. They enjoyed seeing the film;

3. They didn't care;

4. They couldn't be bothered;

5. Any/all of the above.


She was simulating sex with a gun in his toothless mouth.

I suppose that's just dandy for you?

We're very conditioned to accept things that are dehumanising and that are not appropriate for children.

Just think back to when you were 2, 3, 5 years old. Adults are there to protect children that's our duty of care.

I think there were a few people who cared, they seemed to be too scared to say anything. Sometimes people are just so shocked at what they are confronted with in society, they don't have the wits to think what to do. I know that has happened to me before.


Hold your horses, Asgood, and let's stay on topic. I repeat my question: How did you arrive at a definition of pornography?

The legal definition of pornography is as follows: "The representation in books, magazines, photographs, films, and other media of scenes of sexual behavior that are erotic or lewd and are designed to arouse sexual interest."

You earlier said that it was a horror flick, so which was it? Was it horror, or was it pornography? Was the act that you perceived as a simulation of sex designed to arouse the viewer or to frighten/disgust?

Many films and videos have depicted rape scenes or even consensual sex scenes. Are those pornography too?

I believe we ought to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges, and not use sensationalistic terms designed to provoke a particular emotional response.

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Postby renodante » Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:07 pm

You earlier said that it was a horror flick, so which was it? Was it horror, or was it pornography?


i think i was the one who said the horror thing.

to answer some of your questions, there's nudity, not full. but no, no sex organs exposed. the part he saw was toward the end, revenge time for the girl.

the movie isn't porn, at all. it's suspense/shocker horror with your classic "hillbillys having their way with you" theme.
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Postby Polaron » Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:46 pm

renodante wrote:
You earlier said that it was a horror flick, so which was it? Was it horror, or was it pornography?


i think i was the one who said the horror thing.

to answer some of your questions, there's nudity, not full. but no, no sex organs exposed. the part he saw was toward the end, revenge time for the girl.

the movie isn't porn, at all. it's suspense/shocker horror with your classic "hillbillys having their way with you" theme.


I thought so Reno. I doubt very much that I would find that flick in the least bit entertaining or enjoyable, but if I saw it on in a public office, I would probably just ignore it. Not worth getting upset over.

I simply wanted point out the attempt to manipulate opinions by using a "buzz word" like pornography, especially where there was evidently no pornographic intent.
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Postby Kelly » Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:35 pm

FWIW, we took 'porn' out of the title of the thread, but not because of that - we got some messages that people were having trouble getting into the forum because of 'porn' filters.
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Postby renodante » Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:51 pm

I simply wanted point out the attempt to manipulate opinions by using a "buzz word" like pornography, especially where there was evidently no pornographic intent.


agree 100%
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Postby asgoodasitgets » Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:29 pm

Ok Kelly no problem.

Polaron. If you think it's ok to have a video on a big screen TV in a public (windows to street) store that the public go to where there are young children where a woman is torturing a guy by having him tied up naked in the middle of a room pulling his front teeth out with pliers while he urinates all over himself, simulating sex with a gun into his toothless mouth - then you're from another planet as far as I'm concerned.

You need to get some empathy and compassion with the state of consciousness that children are in, with innocence. Ironically, it's about growing up really isn't it.

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Postby falconagain » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:56 pm

Unfortunately the situation is worse than expected. The quality of Peruvian TV has
deteriorated a lot. Nowadays 80 to 90% of the programming is what Peruvians call
TV Basura (Trash TV). This means that most of the national tv is worse than what
Jerry Springer shows on the US and the time on air of this type of programs is bet
ween 8 to 10 hours. When most of people are exposed to such degree of vulgarity
it is not surprising why people are so calm when watching this type of torture video
because they see worse things at home.

Reference
César Hildebrandt analiza la actual TV peruana. (youtube)
Mario Vargas Llosa (articles in el comercio newspaper).
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Postby bmike1 » Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:24 pm

I didn't notice tv being that bad. but then again tv at my in-laws was novela from the moment they rose to when they went to bed. so i suppose I was spared.
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Re: Torture video at the phone Store - the state of society.

Postby asgoodasitgets » Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:24 pm

hehe yeah, they will do that if you let them ;) haha. Haven't tried stopping them though.... not sure how that would go...
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Postby Polaron » Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:50 pm

asgoodasitgets wrote:Ok Kelly no problem.

Polaron. If you think it's ok to have a video on a big screen TV in a public (windows to street) store that the public go to where there are young children where a woman is torturing a guy by having him tied up naked in the middle of a room pulling his front teeth out with pliers while he urinates all over himself, simulating sex with a gun into his toothless mouth - then you're from another planet as far as I'm concerned.

You need to get some empathy and compassion with the state of consciousness that children are in, with innocence. Ironically, it's about growing up really isn't it.

If you stand for nothing you'll fall for anything.


Kindly don't twist my words. If someone or someone's children has a problem with something they see, it is their problem, not mine. As I said, I would not watch that kind of material; might even find it offensive. However, I am not going to try to impose my will on others unless it is something truly egregious. There is such a thing as minding one's own business.
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