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Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby windsportinperu » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:03 pm

During the last monthss, thousands and thousands of Venezuelans have arrived to Peru. They are escaping from the tyrany of Tomas Maduro.

I have met some of them on the street of Lima. They are great people.

Peru helping to Venezuela. A real integration among 2 southamerican countries.

They are Welcome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF_4zydtAFI


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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby woodchuck » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:39 am

I belong to a small Catholic church (some 100 members) here in Villa Maria del Triunfo next to Lurin & Jose Galvez. The priest announced this morning that 30 former classrooms will be renovated for 30 Venezuelan refugee families.

The tragedy in VZ is tearing families apart; on the bus home from church, there was a Venezuelan man (25-30 yrs.) selling candy to support his family. I gave him 50 soles for a .50 soles pack of gum. I am thrilled Peru is offering safe haven to the VZ people.

Best wishes to our VZ friends & now residents. :roll:
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby bigdaddy » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:16 am

I wonder if the shoe was on the other foot, would Venezuela be willing to help Peruvians?
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby windsportinperu » Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:29 am

bigdaddy wrote:I wonder if the shoe was on the other foot, would Venezuela be willing to help Peruvians?


It is a good question.

if we expect to receive the help back from Venezuela, or we expect to receive help first and then give it back, finally will never help, at all.

Venezuelan children receiving free school, free healh care and receiving a warm reception from peruvian school children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gyn-ILRiIXQ
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby windsportinperu » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:51 am

While Maduro and his henchmen threaten to use snipers to kill innnocent people, the girl is preparing for the street fight..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4skayTaRcM
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby Cactus fan » Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:50 am

I was in a hostel in Lima and many of the long term residents were Venezuelans.
Friendly people and they all claimed to be working.

I am wondering how they can get jobs so quickly in a country with a high unemployment rate.
Are they working for far less than the Peruvian minimum wage?
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby windsportinperu » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:25 pm

Venezuelan can get a job because the mayority that i have met have a very good mindset : they are positive, happy, friendly, hardworker, respectful, family oriented and love their country. It is a compatible with peruvians, because we have similar values in life.

They work in whatever they can get .. from street seller to workers in small, mediaum and big companies.
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby Cactus fan » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:48 am

windsportinperu wrote:Venezuelan can get a job because the mayority that i have met have a very good mindset : they are positive, happy, friendly, hardworker, respectful, family oriented and love their country. It is a compatible with peruvians, because we have similar values in life.

They work in whatever they can get .. from street seller to workers in small, mediaum and big companies.


...and probably crime.
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby Polaron » Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:23 pm

bigdaddy wrote:I wonder if the shoe was on the other foot, would Venezuela be willing to help Peruvians?


That's an interesting question Daddy. During the period that Alberto fujimori was president of this country thousands upon thousands of peruvians fled to Venezuela. They were welcomed with open arms so the Peruvian people in their typical Spirit of generosity have decided to return the favor.

I for one am glad they have. Having Venezuelans here enriches us all culturally and they're arepas are pretty tasty too.

I had an interesting experience a few weeks back with an Ecuadoran acquaintance of mine. Someone sent me a photograph of Haley Joel Osment from his role in the movie The Sixth Sense. In that slick he plays a young boy who can see dead people interacting in The Ether so to speak. The photograph of him is with his with a look of surprise and it says, "yo veo venezolanos por todos lados."

I thought it was funny because it seems to me to demonstrate the xenophobia of a tiny minority of people. He wrote back to me stating, " thanks a lot I'm an immigrant too!" I responded that the statement was true of both of us. I guess we Gringos are not the only people to sometimes be a bit overly sensitive.

Anyway I apologized if he was offended and I apologize to anyone here who might take umbrage. The truth is I love Venezuelans and I'm happy that they are here. That won't stop my weird sense of humor but I am definitely Pro Venezuelan.
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby Cactus fan » Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:23 pm

Polaron wrote: During the period that Alberto fujimori was president of this country thousands upon thousands of peruvians fled to Venezuela.


My gf told me that during the years that Señor Fujimori was president, there was less crime and the country was very safe.
The criminals fled and went to rogue states like the US and Venezuela and Colombia.
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby windsportinperu » Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:35 pm

Reasons why these great venezuelan couple chose Peru:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JJ899CfrZk
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby windsportinperu » Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:52 pm

Nice comments from peruvians to venezuelans living in Lima:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n9siqNyH-U
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby windsportinperu » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:15 pm

A happy venezuelan guy enjoys the qualification of Perú for the 2018 Soccer World Cup in Russia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oEh7gEzhXw
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby asgp » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:50 pm

woodchuck wrote:I belong to a small Catholic church (some 100 members) here in Villa Maria del Triunfo next to Lurin & Jose Galvez. The priest announced this morning that 30 former classrooms will be renovated for 30 Venezuelan refugee families.

The tragedy in VZ is tearing families apart; on the bus home from church, there was a Venezuelan man (25-30 yrs.) selling candy to support his family. I gave him 50 soles for a .50 soles pack of gum. I am thrilled Peru is offering safe haven to the VZ people.

Best wishes to our VZ friends & now residents. :roll:


Wow. That says a lot about you. You know, I gotta hand it to you.
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby asgp » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:52 pm

bigdaddy wrote:I wonder if the shoe was on the other foot, would Venezuela be willing to help Peruvians?


Venezuela was in a much better position in the past. And yes, many people of many countries went there looking for a better life and they were able to get it. Venezuela is a country of immigrats.
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby asgp » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:55 pm

Cactus fan wrote:I was in a hostel in Lima and many of the long term residents were Venezuelans.
Friendly people and they all claimed to be working.

I am wondering how they can get jobs so quickly in a country with a high unemployment rate.
Are they working for far less than the Peruvian minimum wage?


Not necessarily. Many Venezuelans are willing to work more hours than the average Peruvian. Plus they willingness to work is an big deal to Peruvian employers.
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby asgp » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:57 pm

Cactus fan wrote:
windsportinperu wrote:Venezuelan can get a job because the mayority that i have met have a very good mindset : they are positive, happy, friendly, hardworker, respectful, family oriented and love their country. It is a compatible with peruvians, because we have similar values in life.

They work in whatever they can get .. from street seller to workers in small, mediaum and big companies.


...and probably crime.


Crime is everywhere. Peruvian prisons are full of criminals from all over the world.
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby asgp » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:09 pm

In general, Peru has been a great supporter of the Venezuelan people these days. As a Venezuelan myself I am thankful for all the help the president PPK has have to Venezuela. I see it as an strategy to increase cultural mix in this country, both cultural and genetic, as crazy as that can seem. LOL. I arrived 5 years ago and I can relate to that meme 'I see Venezuelans everywhere' :lol: :lol: :lol:

If you have any questions I will be more than happy to answer.

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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby windsportinperu » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:49 am

A group of Venezuelan living in Lima decided to make a loving video for Peru.

It is their way to say "thanks you"
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby mrsteak » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:29 pm

asgp wrote:Not necessarily. Many Venezuelans are willing to work more hours than the average Peruvian. Plus they willingness to work is an big deal to Peruvian employers.


Great! Work more for less in a country where you make nearly nothing on an average wage is exactly what this country needs! I guess many peruvian families will be happy!
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby windsportinperu » Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:21 pm

Oscar Perez, the venezuelan hero who wanted his people to be free from the oppression and tyrany

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bC6rwTATZI
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby Slippin' Jimmy » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:32 pm

windsportinperu wrote:A group of Venezuelan living in Lima decided to make a loving video for Peru.

It is their way to say "thanks you"


Looks like the honeymoon is over...

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=vid ... &FORM=VIRE
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby mrsteak » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:11 pm

Peru will have lot of problems with this type of immigration. There are hardly good jobs for Peruvians and now half a million (more?) of young people from Venezuela? What kind of jobs will they do? Does the Peruvian government have any plans to accommodate these people? I guess not? Everything is left to "the free market" LOL!
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby windsportinperu » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:02 pm

Jimmy, that video was a problem between 2 troublemaker: one from Perú and another from Vzla. It does not represent neither the generosity of Peru nor the happiness from Vzla. The vast immense mayority are good people.

In this another video you can see a decent Venezuelan guy worried about the situation made by a psychotic Venezuelan woman. Hope you have a decent level of Spanish to understand it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkf_qg2v6a8
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby mrsteak » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:11 pm

@windsportingperu: nobody claims that these people are bad people, they are just bad FOR Peru. This country hardly gives any opportunities to young Peruvian, so how do you imagine to integrate hundreds of thousands of young migrants from VE into the labor market? Anything concrete about it? Or just empty phrases?

I think the VE people would be doing better in countries with old populations and labor markets in need of young people. But in Peru? Country with an average age of 25y? Come on... does not make any sense!

I'm pro "importing" people from VE to (northern) EU & Switzerland. They would be a far better support to these countries than the waves of people from middle east we have seen in the recent path.
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby windsportinperu » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:37 pm

People is not "imported" as merchandise from one location to another. Migration could be a better word, but I understand what you mean.

Europe (apparently the so called first World) has its own problems with mass immigration from Islamic countries. They have no more room for south-Americans.

Here is South America we are very rich, but not in the way you think about richness. Venezuelan are working all over the country (not only in Lima). And most of them are happy with the low salary they are earning. Few areas has been taken by Venezuelan as waitress, but there is a lot of room, for more and more of them to come.

No problem, Peru is a vast country, they could work in the new areas as agricultural exportation, mining, fishing, etc.

Probably your way of thinking is that Peru is a poor country that has no resources, but it is just a European way of thinking.
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby mrsteak » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:57 am

windsportinperu wrote:Here is South America we are very rich, but not in the way you think about richness.


I don't think so. You are not rich if you are sitting on a gold mine but the gold remains in the soil and you barely have anything to eat. What you probably mean: South America has the potential to be a rich continent but it is widely wasted by corrupt and selfish governments.

Moreover you missed one more point: being rich is not tied to only physical goods. Education and habits make at least 50% of the wealth. Missing "a bit" here. You are not rich if you have $millions on your bank account but you are living on a pile of sh**.
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby windsportinperu » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:38 am

mrsteak wrote: habits make at least 50% of the wealth


Pointless negative criticism is a very bad habit :idea:

The problem is that you perceive reality in a different manner. Usually and almost always distorted by negativism. Remember that we can be intelligent but it is not enough. We also need to be positive about life, and that is where your score is very low

Peru is a rich country and the immigration has caused only a benefit for us. The country has received 150,000 immigrants is such a short period of time.

Let's Imagine 150,000 Venezuelan getting into Spain nowadays. It would be total chaos.
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby mrsteak » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:40 am

windsportinperu wrote:Let's Imagine 150,000 Venezuelan getting into Spain nowadays. It would be total chaos.


This is also an assumption without proof. I see lot of chaos caused by Venezuelan here in Lima. Maybe something is wrong with your perception eh?!

Btw I have very positive views of life, however not here in Peru :P Living in Peru is just waste of your life time, that's my view here. I prefer nice places, with nice beaches, blue sky, no pollution and easy going life - all you do not have in Peru (not in Lima and not in provinces).
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby windsportinperu » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:49 am

mrsteak wrote: I see lot of chaos caused by Venezuelan here in Lima.


What kind of chaos are you seeing that the rest of us are not seeing ?
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windsportinperu wrote:
mrsteak wrote: I see lot of chaos caused by Venezuelan here in Lima.


What kind of chaos are you seeing that the rest of us are not seeing ?


Maybe it is not polite to answer a question with a question, but: what chaos do you mean would have happened in Spain if 100.000 Venezuelan migrated to Spain? :roll:
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Postby windsportinperu » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:28 am

:D you are evading the question. I do not blame you for that, because once you check your false reality vs evident reality, you get somehow no answer.

Spain has political instability. The region of Cataluña wants to be independent from Spain. Is it enough reason for you ?

I would like you to prove that Spain can actually receive thousands and thousands of new migrants.. Now you have a lot of homework to do :wink:
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Postby mrsteak » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:48 am

windsportinperu wrote::D you are evading the question. I do not blame you for that, because once you check your false reality vs evident reality, you get somehow no answer.

Spain has political instability. The region of Cataluña wants to be independent from Spain. Is it enough reason for you ?

I would like you to prove that Spain can actually receive thousands and thousands of new migrants.. Now you have a lot of homework to do :wink:


Now you got lost in your own contradictions!

Read again my original post. I said the flood of Venezuelan people is not good for the country as there are no good jobs even for the young Peruvian - true or false? Peru is full of young people working for minimum wages - true or false?

I said they would be better doing in developed EU economies that are in need for young people, as their societies are full of old people - true or false?

Instead you claim: Venezuelan coming to Spain would create a chaos - ?! WTF. It does not link in any aspect to my comments about EU. I also did not mention Spain as the best place for people from VE. I said "developed EU countries". I can hardly see how 150.000 people from VE spread across 5-10 EU countries would create a chaos there. They would be better migrants for these countries than people from Middle East in my opinion (I at least do not see any Venezuelan women walking with burka LOL).
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby windsportinperu » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:16 am

I suggest to re-read my words. ""Let's Imagine 150,000 Venezuelan getting into Spain nowadays. It would be total chaos"" . It was my statement, not yours.
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windsportinperu wrote:I suggest to re-read my words. ""Let's Imagine 150,000 Venezuelan getting into Spain nowadays. It would be total chaos"" . It was my statement, not yours.


Hmmmm.......... suffering from a reading dissociative disorder?

You fail to deliver any proof for your claim. Not funded by any fact.

Not related to my post neither, as I did not mention Spain as target country. :?:
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Postby windsportinperu » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:21 pm

mrsteak wrote: Not related to my post neither, as I did not mention Spain as target country. :?:


When I mentioned Spain, it was not related to your comments. It was not said to probe that you were wrong..

It was said just to compare Peru vs Spain as a destination for thousands of migrants.
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Postby mrsteak » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:30 pm

I would distribute the 150.000 migrants across UK, France, Holland, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland - that would hardly create any chaos. :!:
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Postby windsportinperu » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:38 pm

mrsteak wrote:I would distribute the 150.000 migrants across UK, France, Holland, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland - that would hardly create any chaos. :!:


Are you Angela Merkel ? :D

I agree, that all those countries can receive 150k people or more..

Let's keep a healthy mind. God bless you..
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby windsportinperu » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:57 am

Venezuelans now preparing peruvian food !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlWaNx9b-CM
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Postby toughrider » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:33 am

windsportinperu wrote:I would like you to prove that Spain can actually receive thousands and thousands of new migrants..


I went to Spain in 2014 to look for a job. I applied for at least 750 jobs.
I speak fluent Spanish and a few other languages. I have experience in sales, restaurants, hotels, aviation.
I am prepared to work nights, weekends, overtime and I would accepted the low Spanish wages.
And I was prepared to relocate to anywhere in Spain. And as an EU citizen, I am legally entitled to work in Spain without any restrictions.

Still, I couldn't find a job.

So, do you think that thousands of low skilled South American immigrants who don't have the legal right to work in EU will be an asset?



mrsteak wrote:
windsportinperu wrote:I said they would be better doing in developed EU economies that are in need for young people, as their societies are full of old people - true or false?


Factories moved to the Far East, supermarkets are introducing self check outs, shops selling clothes/white goods/electronics are disappearing as people buy on the internet, banks are closing offices as they want their customers to use internet banking...

And most of those young people moving to the EU are low skilled and aren't even interested in working. They know that some EU countries offer free housing, healthcare and generous welfare benefits.
That's the reason why they move to Scandinavia, France, UK, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Holland,...

They don't go to Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Latvia, Lithuania because those countries won't give them free housing and high unemployments benefits.
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby toughrider » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:45 am

mrsteak wrote:I'm pro "importing" people from VE to (northern) EU & Switzerland. They would be a far better support to these countries than the waves of people from middle east we have seen in the recent path.


Why doesn't the US take in all those Venezuelans? The US is closer and there's room enough to house more immigrants. The US is involved in a tit for tat war with Venezuela so they should deal with it.

That there's a mass immigration from the Middle East to Europe is the fault of the US. The war in Afghanistan, Iraq and Lybia is the cause of this immigration wave. The US should take in all immigrants from the Middle East. The US lost all those wars so they should pay for the aftermath. Not Europe.
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby windsportinperu » Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:34 am

She cried tears of joy after receiving peruvian nationality !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nykxPAiAqAA
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby windsportinperu » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:18 am

Venezuela is total chaos !,

No food, no medicine, no sugar, no flour, large queue of cars for gasoline..

No future, no hope..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjdAFH0XYlM
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Postby windsportinperu » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:53 pm

Generosity of Peru !

A peruvian guy is offering free homestaying to Venezuelans during their first steps in Lima . More than 80

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPDWE45F8fw
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Postby windsportinperu » Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:07 pm

The paradise for pets ! , made by a Venezuelan girl in Lima

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jQ4sMd3Pec
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Postby windsportinperu » Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:06 pm

Top 7 peruvian dishes ! made by a Venezuelan guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEu8tDxChVg
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby windsportinperu » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:45 pm

Thousands of Venezuelans called for a demonstration in Lima against Maduro

Real freedom in action !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn7eJ2Yp1og
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby windsportinperu » Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:34 pm

Another video made by a Venezuelan guy.

He enjoys his work ... travelling in Apurimac (Sierra del Peru)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhCLg3gcd9Q
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby windsportinperu » Wed May 02, 2018 10:30 pm

From Syria to Venezuela ... and then From Venezuela to Peru !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyHovacE2uQ
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Re: Peru helping to Venezuela

Postby asgp » Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:21 pm

mrsteak wrote:
asgp wrote:Not necessarily. Many Venezuelans are willing to work more hours than the average Peruvian. Plus they willingness to work is an big deal to Peruvian employers.


Great! Work more for less in a country where you make nearly nothing on an average wage is exactly what this country needs! I guess many peruvian families will be happy!


Ikr

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