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Plastic Surgery in Lima

Postby rgamarra » Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:57 pm

Hi:

I know that Lima tends to be more economical when considering cosmetic surgery, but with the number of surgeons offering their services, it's hard to find out which surgeon one should consider for cosmetic surgery.

I certainly don't want to base my surgeon by price, and most women tend to be mum about who they go to. I've only been given ONE personal recommendation, not leaving me much of anything to work with.

I'm not asking anyone to make it public knowledge that they've had some "work" done, but it would be helpful if some direction was given.

Any kind of surgery is no light matter, and much serious consideration has been given in this matter by my husband and I.

PM me with your thoughts, opinions, personal experience(s), recommendations, referrals, etc. etc. if you do not wish to post, but still wish to share.

As always, Thanks for your help!


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Postby suecote » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:12 pm

I hate to be a "me too" but I would also like to hear about this! Could you also email or pm me? :D
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Postby cajun jamie » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:25 pm

My wife's family had some work done. There is always "the best" and then there is good, but cheaper.

My sister in law used a plastic surgeon who was recommended by a friend who said she did good work, and was inexpensive.

Sister-in-law wanted a tuck here, some tightening there - so she did her WHOLE body at one time.

Then she almost died.

She got a full body infection and finally went to the hospital and got IV antibiotics.

Moral of the story:

1- Choose a surgeon with experience. This doctor didn't even know there was a problem.

2- Do surgery in moderation! I think this surgeon saw an opportunity to make a lot of money in one shot and took it.

I'll find out names and send them.
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Postby Remy » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:47 pm

cajun jamie wrote:1- Choose a surgeon with experience. This doctor didn't even know there was a problem.

2- Do surgery in moderation! I think this surgeon saw an opportunity to make a lot of money in one shot and took it.


Step 1: find out if the dude is really a doctor and if his clinic has a license. Low prices in plastic surgery most of the time equal low life expectation.
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Postby cajun jamie » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:23 pm

Remy wrote:
cajun jamie wrote:1- Choose a surgeon with experience. This doctor didn't even know there was a problem.

2- Do surgery in moderation! I think this surgeon saw an opportunity to make a lot of money in one shot and took it.


Step 1: find out if the dude is really a doctor and if his clinic has a license. Low prices in plastic surgery most of the time equal low life expectation.


My wife's going to get names tomorrow. But I am told on a side note that Cesar Morias was known to be the best, but to avoid him because he had some problems and no longer is considered the best.
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Postby mammalu » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:57 pm

A friend of mine had a lifting done by Dr. Morias, she is right now experiencing pain and complications, and planning to go to Argentina or Venezuela (or even Cuba) to have another surgery.

She tried to consult another plastic surgeon in Lima, but when they find out that Dr. Morias performed the first surgery, they do not want to deal with her or touch her. Strange?? no?

Any good information on surgeons is welcome.

I wanted to have Lasik done in Lima (so inexpensive! as my dad and brother in law had it done successfully), but I would have had to stay weeks in Lima for proper monitoring. I had Custom Lasik done here recently in the USA (by one of the 2 best Doctors in New Jersey), much more expensive.\!
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Postby cajun jamie » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:09 pm

mammalu wrote:A friend of mine had a lifting done by Dr. Morias, she is right now experiencing pain and complications, and planning to go to Argentina or Venezuela (or even Cuba) to have another surgery.

She tried to consult another plastic surgeon in Lima, but when they find out that Dr. Morias performed the first surgery, they do not want to deal with her or touch her. Strange?? no?

Any good information on surgeons is welcome.

I wanted to have Lasik done in Lima (so inexpensive! as my dad and brother in law had it done successfully), but I would have had to stay weeks in Lima for proper monitoring. I had Custom Lasik done here recently in the USA (by one of the 2 best Doctors in New Jersey), much more expensive.\!


Apparently the word is that Dr. Morias has had some type of problems. People may still be referring to him based upon past reputation as "the best", but it seems that has since changed.
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Postby rgamarra » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:48 am

I know 2 sisters who had procedures done at Kirschbaum Institute. They are both very happy with their procedures and the prices were still considerably economical compared to what one would pay in the U.S.

This is the ONLY recommendation that I have received while on my last trip in Peru. I find that not too many Peruvian women are willing to share where they had work done, like it's some kind of big secret, which is funny since they don't KEEP it a secret that they HAD work done!

Here is the website:

http://www.kirschbaumplasticsurgery.com/

Also, has anybody had any experience or know anyone who has worked with Slim Center? They seem to be fairly large, but I do not know what their reputation is. I've inquired as to their prices, and again, still economical...but quality, experience, and reputation are my primary concerns before price.

This is the link to their website: http://www.slimcenterperu.com.pe/

Also this is one that is advertised in Peru.com, does anybody know about this doctor and his clinic?

Renuance, Dr. Augusto Campbell
http://www.campbellcirugiaplastica.com/
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Postby rgamarra » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:54 am

mammalu wrote:I wanted to have Lasik done in Lima (so inexpensive! as my dad and brother in law had it done successfully)


I considered Lasik in Lima in 2006, but I was advised against it by my mother-in-law who works for an ophthalmologist in Miraflores. I do not know how much Lasik has advanced in Lima, but at that time it was fairly new to the market, and there wasn't much regulation. Also the cost was about $100 (I don't know if that was per eye.)

If anybody else has had Lasik performed in Lima recently, let us know, I'm sure there are plenty of us who are considering the procedure.

Thanks. :)
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Postby gemma » Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:01 am

My husband had his eyes done in Lima at the Centro de Cornea, catarata y glaucoma (Dr Miguel Asmat.) The results were good and he was happy with the procedure. 10 of our friends have been to this same doctor now and all have been happy and they recomended him to us. The web site is http://www.tci.net.pe/oftasmat
Re plastic surgergy a few of my friends have had stuff done so I will ask for recomendations although one American friend looked into it and decided that the price difference for a good doctor in Lima and the States wasn't that much different and not worth the risk. I'd be interested in recomendations though. :D
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Postby cajun jamie » Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:34 am

This Doctor is highly recommended, Dr. Otto Ziegler:

http://www.drottoziegler.com/

For noses, a doctor named "Kilimajer" (Spelling?) is supposed to be great, at Clinica San Borja.
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Postby rgamarra » Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:19 pm

Thanks Jamie and everyone else for posting information. In the end it's best to visit a few of the doctors. Most of them will charge for a consultation, but just like here in the U.S. it's best for any of us who are considering cosmetic procedures to do the homework first.

What you pay up front could save you thousands later. :idea:
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Postby David » Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:36 am

Please don't jump all over me but with the exception of Gemma all the people that want to undergo a procedure or have undergone a procedure are woman.

I am not a handsome man, not ugly either and I just can't imagine myself wanting to get sugary of any kind.

I can understand there may be medical reasons behind this or possibly a disfigurement is involved. But I hope that each of us except not only ourselves but those around us as they are.

Minor imperfections are what makes us beautiful in our own little way.

Now onto the business end of the question. I don't know what mal practice insurance doctors in Peru may have to carry, but please find out what rights and guarantees you have well before hand. You want to be able to check out the anesthesiologist as well. What is his/her track record.

I think the AMA has #'s on what day of the week most accidents tack place also what time of day.

I would seriously consider going to an American / European doctor first just to see if they feel you are a good candidate for such an operation.

Are you in good enough shape? How is your heart? Blood Pressure? Diabetes? Age? Weight?
What kind of follow-up visits can you expect from your doctor? If something goes wrong late at night after the operation can you get in touch with him? Ask him/her for a contact number and call them at 3AM before the operation. If he does not answer before he has your money he surely won't after.

Sorry to be so negative on this one but please be careful. I know a woman that went to the Dominican Republic for a breast reduction that never woke up. And another woman that went to Brazil that had tragic results from a tummy tuck.

The US is not perfect either, and they do a very good job of covering up the mistakes.

DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
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Postby WikiSama » Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:42 am

Out of all the aforementioned, I would say the Kirschbäums (it's a family practice) are the most recommended (and the ones who hold their reputation). Ziegler is fine too, I haven't heard any positive comments about his work, but I haven't heard any negative comments about him either.

Recommendations for a nice Nip/Tuck and not end up Six Feet Under.
(TV series pun very much intended)

1. A good doctor does not advertise on TV, radio or newspapers. A yellow pages ad is more than enough. Sure there are exceptions, but the medical ethics code frowns on advertising.
2. Check if your doctor is really a doctor on the website of the CMP - Colegio Médico del Perú (Medical Board of Physicians and Surgeons of Peru).
3. Don't choose your doctor based on one word-of-mouth. Research. Google and local News are your best friends.
4. NEVER EVER choose a doctor/clinic based on who charges cheaper. The cheap/expensive difference could turn into a living/dead difference.
5. Be sure you are healthy and don't have any threatening medical conditions before you subject to cosmetic surgery.

Hope it helps!
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Postby mammalu » Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:26 am

David wrote:Please don't jump all over me but with the exception of Gemma all the people that want to undergo a procedure or have undergone a procedure are woman.



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"I wanted to have Lasik done in Lima (so inexpensive! as my dad and brother in law had it done successfully), but I would have had to stay weeks in Lima for proper monitoring. " unquote

Handsome Dave, be kind! You don't know what it is to wake up in the morning and not be able to SEE AND READ the time on the alarm clock, or if you misplace your glasses, to have to beg anybody nearby to help you look for them, or endure sinus infections due to the weight of your glasses on your already deviated septum.

Behind each decision, there is a sometimes a long story. That is why I never judge other's decisions. And Dave, you live close to NYC, I am surprised you don't know any men who had any work done. I know a couple, baby boomers, who wanted to make themselves more competitive in a NYC market (Wall Street). They go for the botox, the collage fillers for the laugh lines and use regularly hair dye.

Nothing wrong with trying to look a little bit younger Some of these guys are in sales, with visible jobs, they still need to pay their mortgage and finish sending their kids to college.

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Postby David » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:03 pm

Mammalu,

Please don't feel that I am judging you. You are right about every person has there own reasons and story.
Sometimes I assume a great deal, but I was not just referring to you in my comments. Another chimed in with interest in this topic and I am sure many others sit on the side line (lurkers) and observe without comment. If I error I hope you understand it was only with the best interest of the reader in mind.

Both my sister and sister in law had lasik surgery done. Both have excellent eye sight now with the exception of the "halo effect" at night around lights.

Good luck in your search.

David

As for men getting little done, you are correct but I mingle in a small close group of friends and only one of us dyes there hair. Now we call him the "Bob man" inside joke but it always gets a laugh.
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Postby mammalu » Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:24 pm

No problem, Dave. We are 'good', we are from NJ.
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Postby naturegirl » Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:50 pm

I know a good one, but he-s in Piura.
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Plastic Surgery

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[Also this is one that is advertised in Peru.com, does anybody know about this doctor and his clinic?
RGAMARRA:
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Postby cajun jamie » Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:17 am

time2heal wrote:[Also this is one that is advertised in Peru.com, does anybody know about this doctor and his clinic?
RGAMARRA:

I was considering having liposculpture and implants done in Lima next year. I called and e/m several of "the best" among them: Otto Cedron, Augusto Campbell from "Renuance" and some other guy who supposedly is the disciple of Ivo Pitanguy (the famous Brazilian surgeon who worked on many stars in the 70's and 80's ) sorry I forget his name.
Anyway, here's what I found out:
1- Campbell: Poor bedside manner. Not very informative. Did not even request pics to evaluate my case before quoting me a price. Very disappointing.
2. Cedron: All business is conducted by his staff. Questions, prices etc. At least the office manager was responsive and involved. They did request the pertinent info in order to give a quote. A difference that made me feel a bit better.
One thing that I found weird: These procedures are done w/ an epidural. No general anesthesia! If you want it, it will cost an additional 1K. they say it's not necessary, but can you imagine having all that done being half sleep? (I've never had an epidural and getting an injection into my spine freaks me out.)
The other guy also wanted pictures but I had a feeling he had a Godlike complex. Un Divo...He probably wouldn't allow a slight deviation from "his" standards...I read an interview about him and that's the impression I got. He said something like: "Thank God I don't need any surgery yet...(and he does) Besides...who would do it!?"
After all this, I decided to leave ME alone. I realized that the real problem is the perception I have of myself. Strangely, everyone seems not to notice those "imperfections" I used to obsess about. So, I've decided to remodel my kitchen and take pilates classes instead. Pilates makes me feel strong, fluid, flexible, energetic, oxygenated: Pretty :wink:
Other reasons were the risks of anesthesia, infection, bleeding etc. have you heard of Necrotizing Fasciitis? The flesh eating bacteria seen quite commonly as a complication of surgery. I'm a Registered Nurse /Wound Care Specialist and I've seen extremities and body parts literally melt away in 24-48 hours. There's also the MRSA infections that are becoming so common that it is now becoming an epidemic not only in the hospital seetting, but also in the community ie: schools, gyms, churches etc. (I don't know if Lima is having this problem, but I wouldn't be surprised with all the travelling abroad...)
Hope this answers at least a couple of your questions. Oh! price for all that? 8 Grand. Plus one for the general= 9,000 USD

Good Luck!


Boy do we think alike.

I would not think less or different of anyone wanting a little surgery done, but so many times I see people willing to risk so much, for something I see as either very minor or maybe could be corrected with a little exercise and diet.

Of course there are other things that require surgery.

I am just glad to hear someone else say what I think about this subject. Being bald has taught me a LOT about my character. When I had cool, blonde hair I used to worry myself sick as it thinned away in college. For years it was just sad. Then one day, this nice looking girl rubbed my head and said, "honey - whatcha keeping that little patch up there for? just shave it all off!" I did and the next week another girl came up to me and said, "I just love a man with the courage to shave his head."

HMMMMMM. From that point on I stopped worrying about my physical features and started focusing more on the inside of me. My character.
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Postby time2heal » Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:10 am

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people willing to risk so much, for something I see as either very minor or maybe could be corrected with a little exercise and diet."

...Especially when you're 5'3 and 120lbs...kinda crazy eh?

As far as the bald comment: Personally I've always been attracted to bald men. Most of the men I dated were bald and I married one of them. Their baldness was totally irrelevant. I think for them being bald was a bigger issue than it was fo me. In fact, I don't think I even noticed! One thing they had in common: These guys were fun, sensitive, successful, smart, self-assured and my God was that sexy!
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Postby WikiSama » Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:22 am

Vote to rename this thread as "Yul Brynner or Cousin It?". :lol:
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Postby suecote » Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:56 pm

David wrote:Please don't jump all over me but with the exception of Gemma all the people that want to undergo a procedure or have undergone a procedure are woman.


AHEM!! :x May the jumping commence...

On a general note, I would like to point out that not all cosmetic surgery arises out of vanity. Judge not lest ye be judged...
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Postby David » Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:03 am

suecote wrote:
David wrote:Please don't jump all over me but with the exception of Gemma all the people that want to undergo a procedure or have undergone a procedure are woman.


AHEM!! :x May the jumping commence...

On a general note, I would like to point out that not all cosmetic surgery arises out of vanity. Judge not lest ye be judged...


Thought I explained myself sufficiently, guess not!

You can judge me, I'm fine with that and I already know I can be a... Oh almost forgot I can't say that word :)

But the fact remains all but 1 were/are woman :idea: Not that there's anything wrong with that !
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Postby Mark Smith » Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:41 am

I highly recommend Dr. Claudio Kirschbaum - the institute is at 2973 Javier Prado, San Borja. Very high quality work and good prices. And the doctor's English is excellent.
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Postby cajun jamie » Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:38 am

time2heal wrote:"
people willing to risk so much, for something I see as either very minor or maybe could be corrected with a little exercise and diet."

...Especially when you're 5'3 and 120lbs...kinda crazy eh?

As far as the bald comment: Personally I've always been attracted to bald men. Most of the men I dated were bald and I married one of them. Their baldness was totally irrelevant. I think for them being bald was a bigger issue than it was fo me. In fact, I don't think I even noticed! One thing they had in common: These guys were fun, sensitive, successful, smart, self-assured and my God was that sexy!


Oh I love my baldness now. Such low maintenance and now my ego gets boosted when ladies tell me I have a "Jean Luc Picard head"

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Postby suecote » Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:21 pm

David wrote:But the fact remains all but 1 were/are woman :idea: Not that there's anything wrong with that !


Please don't refer to me as a woman.
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Postby David » Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:18 pm

suecote wrote:
David wrote:But the fact remains all but 1 were/are woman :idea: Not that there's anything wrong with that !


Please don't refer to me as a woman.


Sorry, the dumb American exposes himself once again.

I'm sure you have figured out by now that I "assumed" that (Sue) cote was female, not a boy named Sue, as the song goes.

Actually CJ figured it out for me. :(

Sorry, but with me this kind of thing happens all to often.

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Postby stalker » Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:42 pm

cajun jamie wrote:
time2heal wrote:"
people willing to risk so much, for something I see as either very minor or maybe could be corrected with a little exercise and diet."

...Especially when you're 5'3 and 120lbs...kinda crazy eh?

As far as the bald comment: Personally I've always been attracted to bald men. Most of the men I dated were bald and I married one of them. Their baldness was totally irrelevant. I think for them being bald was a bigger issue than it was fo me. In fact, I don't think I even noticed! One thing they had in common: These guys were fun, sensitive, successful, smart, self-assured and my God was that sexy!


Oh I love my baldness now. Such low maintenance and now my ego gets boosted when ladies tell me I have a "Jean Luc Picard head"
hey CJ i have a poodle you might want to meet! :lol:
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Postby Mark Smith » Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:05 pm

I had lasik done in both eyes 3 years ago and love it! No halo affect, no night vision problems. I don't need glasses for anything now, though I do have a little trouble with fine print. But I had this done in the US - I looked at local providers very briefly and in the end decided that for my eyes I'd go where there's excellent insurance!

But I know half a dozen people in Lima who have had this done locally with good success. And now it's 3 years later so I would give the local docs another look if I were to do it again.

Lasik for $100? There's no way I'd let that doctor touch my eyes and I don't care what his or her reputation is!! If the doctor can't earn more than that there's a good reason for it.
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Postby jnilsbarrios » Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:30 pm

I hate to rain on your parade but it is an awful idea to consider plastic surgery in Peru. I'm a Peruvian native that has just reurned to Peru after many, many years and read the local news media and there are many cases of malpractice with terrible results.

By the way, the concept of malpractice insurance or medical board sanctions is non-existent in Peru.

Save your money, pay some more and have it done it in USA or Europe by a reputable plastic surgeon.
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Postby rgamarra » Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:42 pm

Not to rain back, but does that mean I should also save up my money to return to the U.S. to overpay a family physician, dentist, and ophtamologist since the technology and treatment is "better" and or "safer" and backed up by mal-practice insurance?

Does that mean it's better to have a nurse-practitioner take two glances at my children and charge me $1,200 for just glancing at them? This is what they just recently did to me in the U.S.!

Even in the U.S., plastic surgery isn't guaranteed safe...There was a very popular plastic surgeon (still in practice by the way) in Orlando, Florida (my town) who was publicly denounced by his botched patients, and why don't we consider celebu-surgeon Jan Adams who has multiple mal-practice suits against him, was still practicing, and botched a job killing the mother of Kanye West (even though I'm no fan of his).

I think you might have a few people raining back and from what I see personally and from these posts, is that Dr. Kirschbaum has a very reputable practice with many satisfied patients.
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Postby naturegirl » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:02 pm

jnilsbarrios wrote:I hate to rain on your parade but it is an awful idea to consider plastic surgery in Peru. I'm a Peruvian native that has just reurned to Peru after many, many years and read the local news media and there are many cases of malpractice with terrible results.
By the way, the concept of malpractice insurance or medical board sanctions is non-existent in Peru.
Save your money, pay some more and have it done it in USA or Europe by a reputable plastic surgeon.


It depends if you go to a reputable doctor. Make sure they-re qualified and in the CMP. I had mine down in Peru, the doctor had studied in the USA, cost only 700USD, and I-m happy with the results.
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Postby jnilsbarrios » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:04 pm

I think that we are going to need an umbrella...

In the USA and Germany, two countries that I know well, physicians that do not perform up to medical standards and commit acts of malpractice are investigated by the appropriate medical organizations and judicial authorities. If found guilty, their license to practice medicine may be withdraw, pay financial penalties and, if appropriate, receive a jail sentence.

In Peru, the concept of protecting the patient does not exist. The guilty physician can go on and on performing surgery and causing countless damage without fearing punishment. Occasionally, the Peruvian newspapers publish malpractice cases, the natives are scandalized, for a short time, shrug their shoulders and life goes on.

Welcome to the 3rd. world!
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Postby rgamarra » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:13 pm

"Welcome to the DEVELOPING 3rd World."

No surgery is EVER 100% safe ANYWHERE in the world, regardless of "world" labels.

This post was meant to FILTER out any "bad" doctors and find valid recommendations.

Let's stay on topic, please. As archaic as you may think Peru to be, there are systems in place to assist in the selection process.
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Postby naturegirl » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:44 pm

Surgery-s always risky. YOu just have to be aware of the risks. If rgmarra wants to do it she will despite whether or not everyone agrees.
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Postby Mark Smith » Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:28 am

One truly unfortunate thing about the Peruvian medical system is that two (or three) parallel systems are in place. For those with money and the common sense to investigate a little, there are some excellent, world class doctors here. But to a great extent jnilsbarrios is right. I've had excellent luck locally, both with myself and with my son. And I know many success stories and the fact that medical treat is so much more affordable is, of its own, a success story.

My son moved here when he was 12 and with years of chronic ear infections and routine visits to a top-notch specialist in California. Within a few months of landing in Lima he had another infection and I got a referral to a good ear-nose-throat guy in San Borja. That doctor had his scope in my son's ear for literally seconds when he pronounced "Your son has a tumor." The California doctors (two, actually) had missed this for years. I brought him back to California for a second opinion and that doctor agreed that there "might" be something in there and that surgery was warranted. But the surgery would destroy the earbone and he'd be deaf in that ear. They could reconstruct the bones but not until he was 18 and stopped growing, because the insurance company wouldn't pay for a "temporary" prosthetic. Back in Lima, our doctor thought that was laughable. To have a 12 year old go through school half deaf when the temporary prosthetic costs only a few hundred dollars.

The tumor was out within months and that was the end of the ear infections. He had those small prosthetics replaced last year with the final version.

That said, the system itself doesn't work very well and there are a lot of mediocre and some outright bad doctors in practice. And even at the good clinics hygiene is an issue - there just is a lower level of awareness and concern about it than in Europe. Which results in a higher rate of infection (both common and hepatitis), even at the good clinics.
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Postby WikiSama » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:07 am

I want Canadian-British-French-Cuban healthcare like in Sicko. :cry:
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Postby rgamarra » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:03 pm

Sicko, right! I forgot to ask for that in the "ay-ay-matey" market!

Point put, there will never be a perfect "medical system."
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Postby mammalu » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:09 pm

WikiSama wrote:I want Canadian-British-French-Cuban healthcare like in Sicko. :cry:


That is really funny! My first laugh of the night.
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Postby Mark Smith » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:14 pm

WikiSama wrote:I want Canadian-British-French-Cuban healthcare like in Sicko. :cry:


The Peruvian system is very similar to the British-Canadian model except that they (thankfully!) let a parallel market-based system develop. What people forget - when they look at Canada as an example - is that Canada and the UK are the exceptions - most socialized medical systems look more like Lima's than London's.

Which is not so say that the US doesn't need to do something drastic!
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Postby WikiSama » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:44 pm

Wiki hereby acknowledges that HMOs in Peru as not as ruthless as the ones in the US. However, we do need a declaration of Free Universal Healthcare for all, and better quality in attention and more infrastructure. More campaigns in preventative care, more education for all.

Sicko: British doctor, working in a national practice, afforded an Audi and a million dollar home.
Peru: Peruvian doctor, working in a national hospital, clinic or HC, affords a bus ride and a lollipop (provided there were discounts on lollipop sales that day).

And we need more sushi too! :P
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Postby cajun jamie » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:30 pm

WikiSama wrote:
And we need more sushi too! :P


I second that motion!
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Face lift

Postby DMB » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:45 pm

Is Dr. Morillas not as good as his reputation "used" to be? He's the disciple of Pitangy in Brazil.

Anyone know Dr. Jorge Hidalgo? Any good?

I'm fearful to leave the USA for surgery, but prices here were $15,000+ and in Peru I was quoted $3,000 - $5,000, including more work (the eyes, etc.) It's MUCH cheaper. Plus I understand they can use medicines which lessen scarring and promote healing, which are not allowed here as not FDA approved. I heard Lima was better, cheaper, and more cutting edge up-to-date than choices here in USA.

Appreciate your comments. I need at least a lower face lift, maybe full face.

THANKS
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Re: Face lift

Postby time2heal » Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:37 pm

As a Peruvian who knows the system in Peru, and having a Peruvian plastic surgeon as a personal friend, I would not choose to have such a delicate procedure in Lima. I am sure there are extremely well -qualified surgeons and Morillas is one of them. (i've had an online consultation w/ his office) I've also consulted with the surgeons that have worked on Magaly and Bozzo. (Morillas I believe?) My friend's husband is a plastic surgeon in Surco and has reconstructed just about every inch of my friend's body. (People are amazed at how great she looks, but to me she looks overly done...)
Anyway, I would be very cautious if I were you. There are so many things that could go wrong. I am an RN and I know all the terrible complications. Not that in the US you wouldn't have any, but at least you can go back and forth for touch-ups if necessary. My friend here in LA had hers done and needed SEVERAL touch -ups (she cheapened out that's why!) However, as crazy as it sounds, vanity has a price and I myself will be having my own facelift surgery in December. I have chosen a surgeon in Beverly Hills whom I've known for over 30 years. I had a procedure 7 yrs ago and had a WONDERFUL experience. He is truthful, honest and very kind. He'll tell you exactly what you can and cannot have. What you should and shouldn't expect. He'll even tell you if what you need is a surgeon or a psychiatrist! I LOVE him. Let me put it this way, he FIXES other surgeon's messes. If that doesn't scare you...
Have you heard of Dr. 90210? Dr. Robert Ray? OK, my Dr. is better than Dr. Ray. and yes, i have also had a consult w/ Dr. Ray. (Overrated!)

So please be careful! do your homework and don't just make your decision based on $$$ only.

Good Luck! :)

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Beverly Hills

Postby DMB » Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:41 pm

THANK YOU. So who's your surgeon in Bev. Hills?
That's close to me, and I can go there easily.
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Postby time2heal » Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:56 pm

Dr. Richard Fleming @ Beverly Hills Institute for Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery. He also teaches @ USC and has privileges @ Cedars Sinai, I think.
(not that I ever want to find out...) :cry:
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Re: Plastic Surgery in Lima

Postby jarrun79 » Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:55 pm

I had surgery with Dr. Claudio Kirschbaum. I would recommend the experience. Also, what I like to do is hire another physician, tell him upfront that I am not going to consider the surgery with him, pay for a consultation, and ask for a second opinion. That way, I am eliminating all conflicts of interest and asking for a real, honest opinion.
Anyway, Dr. Kirschbaum speaks English extremely fluently and is very personable. I had surgery in the US as well and his office and the center itself was more pristine and developed than anything I seen here. I can't believe how much doctors in the US are inundated with paperwork and the fear of malpractice. Still, I would be on the more cautious side. The results were decent but a definite improvement.
I also had Lasik at another time with Mario Miranda from toplaser. My experience with him was different than with Dr. Kirschbaum. Actually, I think much of the technology is a little more advanced than what's in the United States, but at the risk of safety. In my case, we used a Schwinn Erris laser (German and I would say as advanced as lasers in the US), as much as I wanted to use the Amaris (was down for maintenance-this laser is much more advanced than anything in the US). I was incredibly nervous, especially since the Dr. had very shaky hands and typed very slowly. For a few months, I experienced the common side-effects of halos and starbursts. After 6 months I visited my eye doctor in the US (the optometrists I use in the US are incredible) and I had 20/20 vision and he was pleased with the results. One year later, I have very minor glare but am ecstatic I can wake up and immediately see clearly. Trust me, you will want to go to a 3rd party for a 2nd opinion on whether you're a candidate for Lasik. Overall, I had a good result, but Dr. Miranda didn't inspire that much confidence in me. Perhaps it's because I don't speak spanish that well and he doesn't speak english that well.
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Re: Plastic Surgery in Lima

Postby Lloyd007 » Sat May 23, 2020 2:22 pm

I'll reignite this thread with some new information!

I have worked with doctors in Lima for a little over ten years which gives me a lot of experience about how to help people find what they are looking for quickly and easily. A lot of clinics are uneasy about giving out their prices without you going in for a consultation. However, we think differently and are happy to provide a modern safe environment, detailed treatment information, and a price list too. Needless to say, in-person evaluations are important for detailed treatment plan information and to confirm a final price.

Plastic surgery and cosmetic surgery has come a long way over the years. Technology and techniques change and improve all the time, making results more predictable, surgeries are much less invasive and recovery times are now much shorter.

Plastic and cosmetic surgery is used for the purpose of altering or restoring the shape of the body. Nowadays, it also includes things like hair transplants and stem cell treatments.

Got some part of your body that you wish to change or adjust? On this link, you'll find good, clear information about almost every plastic surgery treatment. And a skilled, English speaking specialist doctor.

https://www.surgeryinperu.com/cosmetic-surgery-lima/
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