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chiropractor recommendation

Postby imec » Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:31 pm

Just looking for a good chiropractor in Lima. Thanks


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Postby Ron » Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:53 pm

Bill Black- he is a good San Fransico boy.
CENTRO QUIROPRACTICO UNIVERSAL
Calle Monte Rosa 125 of. 2C3 Centro Comercial Chacarilla.
Phone : 372-7339

Paul Alfalla - he is a good NYC boy.
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Postby cajun jamie » Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:00 am

Good info. I love a good adjustment from time to time!
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Postby Ron » Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:02 pm

Cajun,

When I move back you can have adjustments on the house!
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Postby cajun jamie » Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:10 pm

Well thanks! I have a cousin who is a chiropractor in Colorado - so that doesn't help me. I have a friend in town who really takes care of me. I was thinking about Peru - who's going to straighten me out?
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Postby alan » Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:51 pm

After a year of on-again, off-again back pain, I took the plunge and have been seeing a chiropractor for the past month, three-times per week.

My pain isn´t gone, but I feel that progress is being made. He has explained the process pretty well, and from what he tells me, it can be a fairly long process before real change is made.

I was wondering if others on this board have had experience with chiropractors, either good or bad? What about with Peruvian bone doctors, the so-called "hueseros"?

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Postby americorps » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:27 pm

Alan,

Valdemont has been going to Dr. Black as mentioned in this post and could not be happier with the service. As you know, he is a graphic designer full time at his day job and has his own graphic design firm, and as a result had some bad problems, Dr. Black fixed him well, is a really nice guy and runs a professional clean and modern office.

Dr. Black also does a lot of volunteer work with impoverished children in need. I can not say enough nice about this guy.

When I taught English at a local pharmaceutical company, they all swore by the same huesero. They said he had humble digs, and I can not remember his name nor his location, but everyone from the maintenance man to the cheif executive officer reccomended him as some sort of miracle worker. As I mentioned, I don't have his name or address, but I did store his number in my cell...

999-646-813 or 330-0352
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Postby Jimmy111 » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:53 pm

I had a lot of problems with my back in the past. Going to a Chiropractor is not a cure. They just push something that is out of position back in position. Your muscles are like rubber bands and are attached to your back bones. The main problem that you probably have is that your muscles are tight and pulling your vertrebra out of position. When you go to the doctor, he will push it back in place and you feel better for a while but then they slip back out due to the muscles pulling them.
Situps, toe touchers and exercises of this type will help to strech the muscles and reduce the tension on your vertrebre.
I used to go to the chriopractor 3 times a week untill I was told by someone to exercise more. Then my probllem went away.
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Postby americorps » Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:47 pm

I could not agree with you more about exercise and muscles.

Dr. Black has Valdemont on a great exercise program, and works on muscle manipulation, massage therapy as well as bone adjustments. Each therapy complements the other. Sorry your experience was with a chiropractor that did not provide a whole approach, but that is pretty rare in this day and age.
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Postby anuta » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:57 pm

Jimmy111 wrote:Situps, toe touchers and exercises of this type will help to strech the muscles and reduce the tension on your vertrebre.
I used to go to the chriopractor 3 times a week untill I was told by someone to exercise more. Then my probllem went away.


The problem is that you need to know what to exercice. For example I was told that my back muscles are too strong and that's what created tension in the lower back, I would have never guessed that myself. And regular situps don't help to counterbalance the back muscles, I was told to do special exercices which work different part of abs. Anyways, there are plenty of cause of the back pain....
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Re: chiropractor recommendation

Postby anuta » Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:00 pm

What is the going rate for the chiropractor in Lima ?

I found one center in Lince, in a not very nice area. A Peruvian chiroplactor there charges 30 soles for 30 min and offers a free evaluation. It's close to my place, and not too expensive, but since there are lots of charlatans here, I'm kind of not sure...I suppose if he charges much cheaper than the average, then it's not serious.
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Postby Jimmy111 » Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:11 pm

The strength of the muscle has little to do with it. It is the tension.
Any exercise or stretching routine that involves the lower back will help you. There are many little short muscles in your lower back that are only stretched by doing situps. You can feel them popping as you move them when you so situps.
There is no overnight cure. It takes many rears of inactivity to create the problem and a long time to relieve it too.
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Postby Ron » Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:29 pm

Jimmy111,

When you have an injury to your back there is more involved than just mucles. The main structures that cause pain are receptors in the joints of the back and in the discs. The reason that muscles get tight when you hurt your back is a protective mechanism. The brain recieves signals from the prementioned receptors, and then sends signals to the muscles to contract to protect the area. You need to first reset the receptors before the muscles can calm down. Adjusting the spine helps to position the spinal bones back into their correct position thus turning off those receptors. Unfortunately this takes time and repetition to complete. The spine must first be in proper alignment before you start to lengthen and strengthen the muscle. If it is not, then working the muscles only reinforces the poor position of the spine and sets you up for more problems down the road.

When you do sit up the muscles in the lower back are not stretched, they are simply told not to contract by the brain. This is called reciprocal inhibition. It is the process that allows all joints to move through their range of motion. Also, sit-ups are not an exercise that is particularly good for the back. the main muscle group used to perform a sit-up are the ilio-psoas group that attach to the low back and to just below the hip. The main action of this muscle group is to flex the hip joint. A better exercise to stregthen the lower back and abs are a plank and side plank.

I hope this clears a few things up.
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Postby Jimmy111 » Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:48 pm

Not to dissput you. But I spent many years in Pain due to Chriopractors telling me exactly what you said.
I went to orthopedic surgons who told me I must fuse my vertebrae and other similar surgeries.
It seemed to me that everyone told me only what would bring me back to them time and time again.
I finally ran into an ex orthopedic surgon who said he would tell me what to do and if It worked Then I could pay him.
I have had no trouble since.
Weather or not situps are paticularry good for the back, it worked wonders for me and 3 of my friends who had similar problems.
Exercise and the proper treatment is required to relieve the problem.
But that is my story.
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Postby Ron » Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:25 pm

Without getting into a long drawn-out battle on how to treat back pain, let me get back to the original post.

Alan, go see Dr. Bill Black. He's a good Chiro and an even better guy!
Anuta, expect to pay about $20 or S/.70 a visit give or take.

The general advice I have on doctors (any type) is that you typically get what you pay for. A good doctor will always do the following:

1. Take a complete and thorough health history.
2. Perform a complete and thorough exam.
3. Come up with a working diagnosis based on points 1 and 2 as well as any tests that were performed (ie blood work, x-rays).
4. Have a treatment protocol based on the best and most recent scientific evidence.

For your part, ask alot of questions. If you are not satisfied with the answers, find another doctor. It is your health and you are in control of it.
Friends are well meaning, but anecdotal stories are never a substitute for professional knowledge and experience.
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Postby anuta » Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:20 pm

Ron wrote:The general advice I have on doctors (any type) is that you typically get what you pay for. A good doctor will always do the following:

1. Take a complete and thorough health history.
2. Perform a complete and thorough exam.
3. Come up with a working diagnosis based on points 1 and 2 as well as any tests that were performed (ie blood work, x-rays).
4. Have a treatment protocol based on the best and most recent scientific evidence.

For your part, ask alot of questions. If you are not satisfied with the answers, find another doctor. It is your health and you are in control of it.
Friends are well meaning, but anecdotal stories are never a substitute for professional knowledge and experience.


Ron, thanks for reminding me. The few times I went to see a specialist (physio, psychologist, doctor) in Peru, they would look at me (or listen to me) fast and tell me that I need 40 sessions to be cured. That would always make me running. I've been thinking about seeing a chiro for a while, so I'll try one of the recommended here.
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Postby rickfrombrooklyn » Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:20 pm

Another option is Carlos Ayres. He runs the Centro Quiropractico de Vida. I've been going to his clinic for years. He's president of the Peruvian Chiropractors’ Association and the Federacion Latinoamercana de Quiropractica. Board certified chiropractor in NY. He returned after 25 years in the U.S.

http://www.centroquiropracticodevida.co ... act=doctor
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Re: chiropractor recommendation

Postby LauraMH » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:43 pm

does anyone know if these suggestions are still good?

I would like to get an adjustment when I am in Lima next week. I'd also like someone who could do a general check of my young daughter. Thanks!
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Re: chiropractor recommendation

Postby americorps » Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:52 am

Dr. Black is still working hard and his practice is growing and I still recommend him 100%.

Bill Black-
CENTRO QUIROPRACTICO UNIVERSAL
Calle Monte Rosa 125 of. 2C3 Centro Comercial Chacarilla.
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Re: chiropractor recommendation

Postby LauraMH » Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:53 am

americorps wrote:Dr. Black is still working hard and his practice is growing and I still recommend him 100%.

Bill Black-
CENTRO QUIROPRACTICO UNIVERSAL
Calle Monte Rosa 125 of. 2C3 Centro Comercial Chacarilla.
Phone : 372-7339


awesome. do you know about how much the adjustments are there? Thanks!
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Re: chiropractor recommendation

Postby Ron » Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:35 pm

I think that it is $20 US give or take.
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Postby Ruud » Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:50 pm

Interesting. Is there any scientific evidence, that chiropractor treatment actually does any good?

Ron wrote:Without getting into a long drawn-out battle on how to treat back pain, let me get back to the original post.

Alan, go see Dr. Bill Black. He's a good Chiro and an even better guy!
Anuta, expect to pay about $20 or S/.70 a visit give or take.

The general advice I have on doctors (any type) is that you typically get what you pay for. A good doctor will always do the following:

1. Take a complete and thorough health history.
2. Perform a complete and thorough exam.
3. Come up with a working diagnosis based on points 1 and 2 as well as any tests that were performed (ie blood work, x-rays).
4. Have a treatment protocol based on the best and most recent scientific evidence.

For your part, ask alot of questions. If you are not satisfied with the answers, find another doctor. It is your health and you are in control of it.
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Re: chiropractor recommendation

Postby Ruud » Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:05 pm

The whole article at http://www.chirobase.org/01General/controversy.html

Chiropractic is a controversial health-care system that has been legalized throughout the United States and in several other countries. In the United States in 1984, roughly 10.7 million people made 163 million office visits to 30,000 chiropractors [1]. More than three fourths of the states require insurance companies to include chiropractic services in health and accident policies. The federal government pays for limited chiropractic services under Medicare, Medicaid, and its vocational rehabilitation program, and the Internal Revenue Service allows a medical deduction for chiropractic services. Chiropractors cite such facts as evidence of "recognition." However, these are merely business statistics and legal arrangements that have nothing to do with chiropractic's scientific validity.

Although it has existed for nearly 100 years, the chiropractic health-care system has failed to meet the most fundamental standards applied to medical practices: to clearly define itself and to establish a science-based scope of practice. More disturbing is the fact that chiropractic has made no contribution to the worldwide body of knowledge shared by the health sciences and continues to isolate itself from the mainstream of the health-care community.


Other references:
http://www.chirobase.org/
http://www.quackwatch.com/
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Re: chiropractor recommendation

Postby americorps » Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:12 pm

ruud,

the question at hand is a recommendation of a chiropractor, not a discussion of your opinion of others health care choices. I suggest you keep such discussion and judgements to the news and views section.

There clearly exists scientific studies supporting benefits of chiropractic care. There clearly exists scientific studies discrediting any benefits of chiropractice care as well, in the end it the original poster asks to for a recommendation for a provider, not your lay opinion of her choices. That should remain the topic of the thread.
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Re: chiropractor recommendation

Postby Ruud » Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:31 pm

It is not my opinion. It is a reply to a poster that recommended looking for 'doctor' who works according to the latest scientific evidence.

I don't think it is a coincidence that you try to shut me up, because you proofed to be one of the people to highly recommend a chiropractor, and probably belief in their capabilities.

I simply was wondering why people want to see a chiropractor, and therefore did some research. The same thing I do with a lot of subjects that get my interest.

What a surprise it was, when it turned out that chiropractic is a highly, disputed treatment based on pseudoscience.
I think the original poster has the right to know, what kind of risk he takes.
No I think I have the plight to inform him properly, and you should too!

By the way, not so long ago in the UK the chiropractor associacion dropped charges against Simon Singh who in an article wrote that there is lack of evidence for the claim of some chiropractors made on treating certain childhood conditions such as colic and asthma. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8621880.stm

Your statement that "There clearly exists scientific studies supporting benefits of chiropractic care.", you simply can not proof. Or do you refer to that report that states that chiropractor listen better and give more attention to their clients compared to regular doctors/physiotherapists?



americorps wrote:ruud,

the question at hand is a recommendation of a chiropractor, not a discussion of your opinion of others health care choices. I suggest you keep such discussion and judgements to the news and views section.

There clearly exists scientific studies supporting benefits of chiropractic care. There clearly exists scientific studies discrediting any benefits of chiropractice care as well, in the end it the original poster asks to for a recommendation for a provider, not your lay opinion of her choices. That should remain the topic of the thread.
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Re: chiropractor recommendation

Postby americorps » Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:54 pm

i did not shut you up, though I can see the tactical advantage to you comment to such, no matter that it is not true. I suggested you keep the post topical and even offered you to continue the topic in the appropriate place.

I still make the same suggestion.
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Re: chiropractor recommendation

Postby Remigius » Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:16 pm

I think this is getting out of control. Advise can come in many forms, even if this means advising the OP not to pursue a certain practise. In the end it's his decision to do something with this advise or not.
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Re: chiropractor recommendation

Postby Ron » Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:46 pm

Ruud,

As a practicing chiro for the last 13 years, I can assure you there are loads of scientific research to back up what we do. Please check out the Journal of the Canadian Chiropractic Association or JMPT if you wish to do see some peer reviewed studies.

The suggestion that chiros have not made any "contribution to the worldwide body of knowledge shared by the health sciences and continues to isolate itself from the mainstream of the health-care community" is an odd one. For example, in Canada we have 9 National Research Chairs in Spinal Research headed by Chiros at the top Canadian universities which include:
University of Alberta
University of Toronto
University of British Columbia
McMaster University
Dalhousie University
Guelph University
University of Regina
Universite du Quebec a Trois Rivieres
McGill University

Their research spans the scope of heath care from Epidemiology to Rehabilitation to Biomechanics to Neurophysiology. Another research chair is coming online here pretty quick at the University of Manitoba. It will be focused on Spinal biomechanics and neurophysiology within the Faculty of Medicine.

I don't want to hog the thread but I thought this info maybe useful.

Ruud, if you would like some further info, just PM me and I will see what I can find. I am with you. The more informed you are about a subject, the better you are able to make a decision that works for you.
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Re: chiropractor recommendation

Postby Ron » Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:19 pm

Just a quick update to my last post.

Dr Steven Passmore was awarded the CCRF (Canadian Chiropractic Research Foundation) Professorship in Spine Biomechanics and Neurophysiology./
School of Medical Rehabilitation
Faculty of Medicine
University of Manitoba

Also Dr Diana De Carvalho and Dr Cesar Hincapie are the recipients of the CCA Young Investigators awards. Dr Dr Carvalho received $66,000 towards her PhD at the University of Waterloo and Dr Hincapie received $122,000 towards his PhD at the University of Toronto.
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Re: chiropractor recommendation

Postby Oliver S » Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:56 pm

why do you discuss this at all.

Everybody should know himself what is the best for his body. Some have made good, some have made bad experiences!

Me for example, I would prefer the Dorn-Method, but there is no one in Lima, so I would go to chiropractor if really needed before even thinking about going to - for example - an orthopedist, cause that seems a waste of time to me.

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