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Permeant authorisation for one parent to travel with kids?

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:23 pm
by chelsearob77
I am at some point planing to return to Europe, then my Peruvian wife & our two kids (who both have Peruvian & British citizenship) follow me a month or so later which would mean my kids would need an permission to leave Peru alone with my wife, authorised by myself & notarised here in Peru while I'm still here, the problem is those documents are only valid for a month or so from the from the date they are issued by the notary! From what I've heard the best option would be for me to setup a permeant effect where I would authorise my wife to travel out of Peru with the kids without me having to go to the notary to get a letter of authorisation for her to travel done each time! Instead she would be able to get this letter herself from the notary & they would issue her it then she would be able to travel with the kids without any problems.

I'm not entirely sure how we go about this & the costs involved? so if anyone has any previous experience setting up something like this could they shed some light on this as it would be a big help.

Thanks

Rob

Re: Permeant authorisation for one parent to travel with kids?

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:00 pm
by Sergio Bernales
Some might say permanent authorisation might not be a good idea in case anything goes wrong in the future, but usually you have to renew these things every six months, or every year, so I doubt it's possible anyway. Also is post-dating an option?

This thread below also mentions some possibilities if the children have dual nationality, or you could send a pm to some of the other parents who contribute.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=21981&p=127205&hilit=+children#p127205

Re: Permeant authorisation for one parent to travel with kids?

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:16 pm
by fanning
My sister in law is divorced to a European who lives in Europe, so basically she always has this problem when she travels with her son. They registered some kind of permanent power in Registros Publicos, so when she travels, she gets a fresh copy from Registros Publicos, which she then uses to get the Notarial permit. So yes you can get a permanent authorization, but nevertheless you need to use it every time you travel to get a Notary permit.

Re: Permeant authorisation for one parent to travel with kids?

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:55 am
by chelsearob77
Sergio Bernales wrote:Some might say permanent authorisation might not be a good idea in case anything goes wrong in the future, but usually you have to renew these things every six months, or every year, so I doubt it's possible anyway. Also is post-dating an option?

This thread below also mentions some possibilities if the children have dual nationality, or you could send a pm to some of the other parents who contribute.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=21981&p=127205&hilit=+children#p127205


Well to my understanding as my two kids was both born here in Peru & are also Peruvian citizens they would need to leave the country on Peruvian passports meaning my wife would require a notarised letter of authorisation from myself for the kids to be allowed to leave Peru, & like I said I will most probably be leaving Peru first then they follow me a few months afterwards (maybe longer?) so me doing notarised letter of authorisation just before I was to leave Peru would to be no good as it would have expired by the time they would be traveling out of Peru! That's why I was asking regarding the permeant authorisation that I could do before I was to leave Peru & then she would be able to go to the notary to get a letter just before they was due to leave Peru without any issues, this really is the only option we have as it would be quite ridicules & expensive (well over $1000 for a return flight for myself from Europe to Peru) so I could travel back to a Europe with my wife & kids just to enable them to leave Peru!

Re: Permeant authorisation for one parent to travel with kids?

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:34 am
by fanning
Did you talk to a notary and explain the situation ? I am sure you are not the first person who travels ahead of its family. Surely they can come up with some 'easy' solution.

Re: Permeant authorisation for one parent to travel with kids?

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:02 am
by argidd
This states that if one of the parents is abroad, a judicial authorization must be requested. It also states the absent parent would need to send a consular power of attorney. However, if you read the very end, it says if both parents are in agreement, then you would have to do it through a notary.

In any sort of documentation, if you are abroad and must produce a notarized document in Peru, you go to the corresponding Peruvian Consulate, and they notarize it for you; they have a speacial format and heading, and then you send it to the person in Peru, via post, FedEx, DHL, or what ever you rather. As others have said, best to talk to a Notary and see what options or advice they give you.


Source: http://www.projusticia.org.pe/Tramites_ ... ciales.pdf page 3.


Permiso Judicial de Viaje de Menores al Extranjero:
Si uno de los padres se encuentra en el extranjero, para que su hijo menor de edad pueda
viajar al extranjero, sólo o en compañía del otro padre, es indispensable autorización del Juez de Familia.

Competencia:
Juzgados de Familia

Requisitos:
1 Partida de nacimiento del menor original y copia. (Si tuviera partida extranjera traducida al castellano)
2 En caso el padre desaparecido no responda, en el plazo establecido, el Juzgado concede el permiso.
3 Tasa Judicial de S/. 70.00 por menor.
4 Copia del documento de identidad del solicitante.
5 Si el padre se encuentra ausente del país, deberá enviar un poder consular.
6 El apoderado (madre o padre) que se encuentre en el país, realizará el trámite para el viaje.
7 Si el padre ausente no envía poder consular, un familiar directo debidamente acreditado
debe presentar movimiento migratorio.
8 Padre con paradero desconocido, el Juzgado ordena que se comunique por edictos.
9 Juzgado solicita a Migraciones el movimiento migratorio del desaparecido.
10 El padre tendrá para responder a los edictos, un plazo de 30 días, en caso de encontrarse en el extranjero y 15 días para el interior de país.

Procedimientos:
1 El responsable del menor debe presentar toda la documentación en mesa de partes de los
Juzgados de Familia.
2 El mismo día de la presentación del documento, el solicitante pasará una entrevista en
compañía del menor, para la toma de declaraciones.
3 En 24 horas recabar el permiso, previa entrevista con el Juez, con la presencia del menor.
4 Nota: Sede Notarial Si ambos padres se encuentran de acuerdo, o en caso de fallecimiento de uno de los padres o de estar reconocido el hijo por uno solo de ellos, la autorización de viaje se tramita en sede Notarial.

Re: Permeant authorisation for one parent to travel with kids?

Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:03 am
by sunflower
We actually have the same problem: my husband will leave 5 or 6 weeks before me and I will travel with the kids alone. As the permiso para viajar is only valid 30 days, he can't get one before he leaves.

So yesterday we went to a notary to check out other options. As fanning already described the parent has to make kind of a power of attorney that will be registered by the notary at Registros Publicos. We were told that there is no general power of attorney here in Peru and the authorization has to be very specific (for example: my wife is allowed to travel with our children; she is also allowed to cancel our bank accounts, sell my car or whatever) and can be valid for a certain time. The registration process takes about a week. We were told that with this power I can go to the notary shortly before I want to travel with the children and asked them with the authorization of my husband to issue me the permiso to travel with our kids.

I really don't know why they make it so difficult and complicated.

Re: Permeant authorisation for one parent to travel with kids?

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:20 pm
by chelsearob77
sunflower wrote:We actually have the same problem: my husband will leave 5 or 6 weeks before me and I will travel with the kids alone. As the permiso para viajar is only valid 30 days, he can't get one before he leaves.

So yesterday we went to a notary to check out other options. As fanning already described the parent has to make kind of a power of attorney that will be registered by the notary at Registros Publicos. We were told that there is no general power of attorney here in Peru and the authorization has to be very specific (for example: my wife is allowed to travel with our children; she is also allowed to cancel our bank accounts, sell my car or whatever) and can be valid for a certain time. The registration process takes about a week. We were told that with this power I can go to the notary shortly before I want to travel with the children and asked them with the authorization of my husband to issue me the permiso to travel with our kids.

I really don't know why they make it so difficult and complicated.


Yes I like I said before I will also need to leave a power to my wife before I leave Peru to enable her to travel with our kids,

I am wanting to know what exactly is involved & the costs involved for two kids?

Anyone have the answer to this?

Thanks
Rob

Re: Permeant authorisation for one parent to travel with kids?

Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 4:52 pm
by chelsearob77
sunflower wrote:We actually have the same problem: my husband will leave 5 or 6 weeks before me and I will travel with the kids alone. As the permiso para viajar is only valid 30 days, he can't get one before he leaves.

So yesterday we went to a notary to check out other options. As fanning already described the parent has to make kind of a power of attorney that will be registered by the notary at Registros Publicos. We were told that there is no general power of attorney here in Peru and the authorization has to be very specific (for example: my wife is allowed to travel with our children; she is also allowed to cancel our bank accounts, sell my car or whatever) and can be valid for a certain time. The registration process takes about a week. We were told that with this power I can go to the notary shortly before I want to travel with the children and asked them with the authorization of my husband to issue me the permiso to travel with our kids.

I really don't know why they make it so difficult and complicated.


What did it cost you to do the permanent power of attorney in the end?

Thanks Rob