quieter, more tranquil life with kids, any suggestions

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quieter, more tranquil life with kids, any suggestions

Postby infrid » Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:40 pm

Hi,

my wife and I have 2 small kids (boy and girl, 2.5 years, and 7 months). We live in Miraflores, and have done for years, with a brief break where we lived in Bolivia (wife is Bolivian).

We love our apartment in Miraflores (We're in front of the ocean); but it's a but noisy for the kids, and the truth is the parks are beautiful; but full of people, and we're kind of yearning for a garden.

We can find some smaller houses around Miraflores, and keep our European style life here (we walk/cycle everywhere, which we love); but that would be quite expensive.

We were tempted to go to La Molina, as we can get condos there at the same price as our flat here; but after a brief look, we concluded that the place is awful: crawling with traffic like ants, polluted, and over-crowded. Even in one of the more peaceful areas, there's no escaping all the traffic and pollution.

So, we're now wondering if we should just call it a day with Lima all together, and try to seek a more relaxed, smaller town. We're really not sure where we could go though. We're quite boring, and just focus our time on our family, so our requirements aren't that extreme:

1. Safe,
2. Peaceful,
3. Ideally, with nice houses in condominios, or secure communities,
4. Good Nidos,
5. Fast internet (that's really important for my work),
6. Not too much pollution

Nice to have would be beach/tennis courts/swimming pools.

Anyone have any idea, if such a place exists, or do we already have it as good as we'll get it in Peru, in Miraflores and San Isidro?

Some people told me Arequipa; but it just seems like a step back for us (we lived in Sucre Bolivia for 2 years), so we've not been very motivated by that. Our view is that if were were to move, we may as well see if we can at least be by a nice beach (though certainly for a few hundred kms around Lima, nice beaches don't seem to exist - unless, one of you hopefully proves me wrong).


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Postby caliguy » Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:16 pm

do you work in Miraflores? i was going to suggest Cieneguilla, but then you have to drive through Musa and La Molina, and that can be a bear at times. imo, you are pretty much in the most sought after location in the metro Lima area. haven't heard too many complaints about it. if you got lots of cash, you can look into Casuarinas. most of the properties there have large yards with pools and panoramic views of Lima. i have a friend who lives up there, and his house is spectacular.
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Postby gringolandia » Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:25 pm

Check out Playa San Pedro south of Lima on Panamerican Sur, near Lurin.

American style homes on the beach. Quick access to Lima whenever you want, but otherwise a nice quiet place with a lot of open space. The Americano school is in Lurin, just across the expressway.

They do NOT yet have fast internet, but it should be coming soon. I have no idea why they don't have it yet since it is already at all beaches way further to the south near Asia. An "outlet" mall just opened next to it, so I can't believe it will be much longer before fast internet is available (However I strongly suspect the mall will go out of business soon if they don't do something to draw in more people because every time I pass by the parking lot is nearly empty... they desperately need some hook to draw in people).

The biggest caveat is that the developer has a rather horrible reputation, and if you need to sue him you'll have to get in line. So as with any big purchase in Peru, take every possible precaution and assume nothing. But I know two families that have property there and they're mostly happy with it (not sure if it is possible to ever be totally happy with anything in Peru).

There may be some other developments like this, but I'm not familiar with them. People keep saying Lima is going to expand to the south, though, so presumably there will be more "suburb" style developments as time goes on.
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Postby symby a wonk » Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:08 am

gringolandia wrote:There may be some other developments like this, but I'm not familiar with them. People keep saying Lima is going to expand to the south, though, so presumably there will be more "suburb" style developments as time goes on.


Lima is expanding but in the form of land invasions filled with shantytowns.
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Postby charliehustle » Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:51 pm

I've heard good things about Tarapoto.
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Postby koplinfamilia » Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:24 pm

I am following this topic, we too are at our witts end here in Lima and looking for the same things as yourself.

I agree, Lima will expand South, it is expanding but not yet with good infrastructure past Lurin. We would be interested in something inexpensive heading South, but where? We've found land in Mala at a good price but without a community it is just not safe... It just seems like a no win situation and we are all ears if someone knows of a nice condominium South of Lima.
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Postby SilverbackPeru » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:58 pm

infrid wrote:We were tempted to go to La Molina, as we can get condos there at the same price as our flat here; but after a brief look, we concluded that the place is awful: crawling with traffic like ants, polluted, and over-crowded. Even in one of the more peaceful areas, there's no escaping all the traffic and pollution.


Which parts of La Molina have you tried? Because it's extremely quiet where i'm at with 8 very large parks all within 3 blocks walking distance. The parks are very quiet, good for socialising with friendly people from the neighbourhood, tennis courts on one of them, international schools just 10 minutes drive and i'm lodged on streets where i'm surrounded by hills on either side and the suburbs are only maybe 5 blocks wide at either side. Plenty of wildlife can be seen as well on the parks now and again like parrots, the odd heron, vultures and tons of smaller sparrow type birds.

I can even walk down the centre of the street at night and know that a car won't be coming. 40 minute walk can see me reach La Molina lake which has a nice little park popular with families on the weekend.
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Postby TeacherMike » Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:20 am

Live in La Molina and love it. Much quieter than the other side of the hill (the rest of Lima). Lots of parks and places to eat. Lima is pretty slim with things to do, and Miraflores is hipper and more interesting, but Parque Kennedy could be so much more if they would get rid of those stinking cats and put in more playgrounds for the hundreds of kids that are always there. La Molina is hard to get out and in of sometimes, but not too bad. Also they are expanding their bike lanes, and building a library that looks pretty interesting. Lots of great little parks. If you can get an apartment in front of one like I have, it is very nice. I also seen that La Molina is planning on installing more playgrounds as well. The Agraria is a great place to get a little bit of green. Cieniguilla not too far away. Parque de ninos has a little farmers market on the weekends, and is nice to go with the kids if you get there early. Parque de Ecologico is not amazing yet, but a nice respite every now and again. Will get better with time. Also the markets here are relaxing and never over crowded, and we have found a few "menu" style restaurants that are amazing. Always relieved to come back to La Molina after spending a day in Lima proper.
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Postby adrian Thorne » Sun Jun 05, 2016 1:05 pm

TeacherMike wrote:Live in La Molina and love it. Much quieter than the other side of the hill (the rest of Lima). Lots of parks and places to eat. Lima is pretty slim with things to do, and Miraflores is hipper and more interesting, but Parque Kennedy could be so much more if they would get rid of those stinking cats and put in more playgrounds for the hundreds of kids that are always there. La Molina is hard to get out and in of sometimes, but not too bad. Also they are expanding their bike lanes, and building a library that looks pretty interesting. Lots of great little parks. If you can get an apartment in front of one like I have, it is very nice. I also seen that La Molina is planning on installing more playgrounds as well. The Agraria is a great place to get a little bit of green. Cieniguilla not too far away. Parque de ninos has a little farmers market on the weekends, and is nice to go with the kids if you get there early. Parque de Ecologico is not amazing yet, but a nice respite every now and again. Will get better with time. Also the markets here are relaxing and never over crowded, and we have found a few "menu" style restaurants that are amazing. Always relieved to come back to La Molina after spending a day in Lima proper.


I could not reinforce this more. Our kids have grown up here and they have enjoyed a friendly safe environment coupled with fantastic schools, which shows in the way they are as adults.
Ok it is a little hard in heavy traffic to get to central Lima, but worth the effort. We went to vote this morning and were back home in thirty minutes. No traffic, orderly lines at the poling station and no pickpockets.
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Postby SilverbackPeru » Sun Jun 05, 2016 8:28 pm

La Molina is great for the quiet family life, it's only downside is that there's not a lot to do in the way of socializing but the future is looking promising with more and more development at the areas of El Polo, Golf del las Incas, Jockey Plaza and El Molino Plaza. The crossroads of Av. La Molina and Raul Ferrero area could do with some shops, restaurants etc tho.

You'll still need to go to Miraflores or Barranco for a night out but i see a lot more options in the future for for small cafes, restaruants of different budgets and shopping!

Hopefully all the commercial development near El Polo will mean the area gives another option for places where people can work and so avoid the long haul traffic jams to Miraflores! There's not a great public transport system to La Molina but a little bit inside me doesn't complain about that as it keeps the masses out of the area!

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