EXPATPERU
Whether you are planning to move to Peru, or you are already living here, the Expat Peru forum is a great place to meet people and to find information. Welcome to our community!
EXPATPERU
Whether you are planning to move to Peru, or you are already living here, the Expat Peru forum is a great place to meet people and to find information. Welcome to our community!
fanning wrote:Live is relaxed in Lima !
ironchefchris wrote:Aplaca steaks are real tasty. Better nutritional profile as well when compared to steaks from cattle.
Are you seriously judging the entire country (based on thread title) to be one of the worst countries to live because of the rush hour commutes between Sucro and Miraflores?
Are you seriously judging the entire country (based on thread title) to be one of the worst countries to live because of the rush hour commutes between Sucro and Miraflores?
Has anyone ever bought ground beef in Peru? Have you smelled it? If you do you will never do that again. Tastes ok when you cook it up, but I have wonder about that oder.
BTW where would one find that Alpaca stuff with all that nutrition profile stuff?
mrsteak wrote:Are you seriously judging the entire country (based on thread title) to be one of the worst countries to live because of the rush hour commutes between Sucro and Miraflores?
Well honestly I made a very simple experience in my life: JUST DRIVE ONE HOUR, or two, or three somewhere in a capital city of a country you do not know yet, AND YOU WILL FOR SURE KNOW HOW THAT COUNTRY WORKS. Very simple rule, very practical and for my experience: quite accurate. Come on... in Surco I want to cross the pedestrian x-ing with my 2 yrs son, and nobody will let you through, if you step on they accelerate, ring the clackson, cry at you, and will kill you.... this is a country to live??? really???
jumpinjack wrote:ironchefchris wrote:Aplaca steaks are real tasty. Better nutritional profile as well when compared to steaks from cattle.
Are you seriously judging the entire country (based on thread title) to be one of the worst countries to live because of the rush hour commutes between Sucro and Miraflores?
If I want a Chevy, why would I settle for a Tico, which seems to be a way of life for expats in Peru, just settle for it.
You know, that is what they say about Buffalo steak too but it does not hit the spot like a good ol' t-bone. Has anyone ever bought ground beef in Peru? Have you smelled it? If you do you will never do that again. Tastes ok when you cook it up, but I have wonder about that oder.
BTW where would one find that Alpaca stuff with all that nutrition profile stuff?
ironchefchris wrote:jumpinjack wrote:ironchefchris wrote:Aplaca steaks are real tasty. Better nutritional profile as well when compared to steaks from cattle.
Are you seriously judging the entire country (based on thread title) to be one of the worst countries to live because of the rush hour commutes between Sucro and Miraflores?
If I want a Chevy, why would I settle for a Tico, which seems to be a way of life for expats in Peru, just settle for it.
You know, that is what they say about Buffalo steak too but it does not hit the spot like a good ol' t-bone. Has anyone ever bought ground beef in Peru? Have you smelled it? If you do you will never do that again. Tastes ok when you cook it up, but I have wonder about that oder.
BTW where would one find that Alpaca stuff with all that nutrition profile stuff?
Obviously it's just a subjective opinion, but I think alpaca is far tastier than any steak I've had from a cow. Never tried Buffalo steak, so I can't speak to that.
Here's that nutritional profile stuff:
ironchefchris wrote:Maybe you're misreading me. I'm just stating a preference when I say I prefer alpaca and offering a suggestion/alternative to those who say they can't find a decent steak. I'm hawking alpaca as much as you're hawking t-bone - which I don't think you are at all. Not that it matters.
I only asked where you lived because you asked the following:
"But where does one find it preferably raw so I can try cooking it up. What restaurants offer it up?"
Can't give you relevant and/or specific answers to your questions (esp. about restaurants) without an idea of what general area you live in. Someplace I know, like Arequipa or Lima? Or someplace I don't know at all, like Chiclayo or Huancayo? Since you "do not see what it matters (to say) where I live" when you ask a stranger online where you can find something you're asking about, I'll give you painfully obvious, generic answers as opposed to anything more specific:
- You can find it raw to cook up at a carnicería.
- You can find restaurants that offer it up by using Google or some site that gives restaurant and/or tourist info about your area like Fodor's, TripAdvisor, etc. - but even if you don't see that it matters, you'll need to provide your general location if you want restaurant suggestions.
- Asking a local would likely give you answers to both of your questions.
Have a nice rest of your weekend and good luck in your search for alpaca should you chose to want to try it.
Formidable 1 wrote:All this meat talk makes me glad I'm a vegetarian.
Which is extremely difficult in a carnivorous country like Peru.
mrsteak wrote:Here comes my view on this country.... ok if you want to paint your reality beautiful stop reading here please.
Why you should NOT live in Peru:
1. daily practice: try to get from Surco to Miraflores at 9am, or from Miraflores to Surco at 6pm... you see what I mean? Come on, this is really NOT normal.
2. quality of life: very low. Except you live in some very overpriced gated communities you won't have any reasonable life quality here. Maybe you don't mind. I do
3. horribly overpriced. there was about 20-25% inflation in the last 3-4 years. Just look at your electricity bill to get an idea. Rents skyrocketed.
4. real estate is NOT affordable. In for me acceptable zones an average flat for average sized family is around 250.000 USD (yes USD not soles), if you go to the "premium" zones, you can easily spend 400.000 - 500.000 USD on a flat (NOT house). Where we live in Surco they sell a lot of 550m^2, guess what is the price: 995000 USD.... yeah
The RE market is horribly inflated, most of the investment come from narco business or illegal mining which keeps the prices high.
Come on.... do you really want to spend 300k, 400k, 500k on an apartment?? In Peru? Look at the type and quality of construction... maybe you do not mind?
What about quakes? If there is a mayor quake close to Lima lots of these buldings WILL come down. Believe me. In our building walls are breaking apart after the quakes that we had in the last 2 years. It was not stronger than 4.7. Now imagine a 7 or 8 class quake in Lima....
5. Absurd immigration laws. Instead of creating less and simpler categories they just shake the law thoroughly... There should be just visitor/turist visa, permanent resident by relative, work contract visa and retirement/no work visa. It should be bound to whether you require to occupy a job in Peru or you just bring your own money/money is paid from abroad.
Why the hell do you need an artist visa? or catholic clerk visa? Migraciones CAN join that stuff together, if they want... but they do not want. They want to keep 20 migratory qualities to fill the queues doing TRAMITIES. They need to have jobs...
6. Overwhelming bureaucracy, failed banking system, corruption. In my opinion the economy in Peru is at the edge of complete collapse. The real estate market will take the banks down in this country. You hardly find a new development that is not financed by Interbank, Scotia, BCP or BBVA. They are the major banks (I do not see Banbif involved that much). What do you think happens in this country when more and more assets get toxic? There is no sufficient isnurance fund to save even one of them. Imagine these major banks start to fail, what is going to happen here? It won't be that civilized like it was in US or Spain... there will be riots, people will burn the banks and go after the people who sold them the mortgages.
Unlike other countries Peru has NOT an elaborate banking system. If 3 banks in NY fail it may not be a mayor concern for US, but if 3 banks fail in Peru this country is finished forever. You will be using donkeys again to bring food from the jungle. Really.
7. Police not working. Try to call police about your neighbour making loud music at 2am while you have to wake up at 7am to go to work... NO WAY. Even if they do something it wont be ever a mayor problem. Your neighbour can clear that with a 100 buck note....
8. Overall lack of education. Just look at the garbage
9. Pollution
10. Medical care... make your own thoughts!
OK OK I dont want to be subjective: there are few good points about Peru:
1. food
2. food
3. food
4. food
5. girls
....
but come on.... what are your priorities in your life???
SilverbackPeru wrote:6. Peru seems to grow with more than 5% a year, while for example in Holland the news just proudly announced they are growing an astonishing 0.5% !
Developed countries grow at lower rates as they are fully developed where as undeveloped countries have more room for growth so when things start to go well you see high increases in their growth rates, so that isn't really a valid comparison.
mrsteak wrote:SilverbackPeru wrote:6. Peru seems to grow with more than 5% a year, while for example in Holland the news just proudly announced they are growing an astonishing 0.5% !
Developed countries grow at lower rates as they are fully developed where as undeveloped countries have more room for growth so when things start to go well you see high increases in their growth rates, so that isn't really a valid comparison.
only thing that grows for ever is cancer!
at 5% growth rate you have to consume 2x in 15 years and 4x in 30 years, and yeah 10x that much in 50 years... do you really think people will consume 10x more food in 50 years in Peru? Will drive 10x more the car? Buy 10 TVs per year instead of just once? Growth is a mistaken idea.
In fact the high so called growth rate in Peru is a safe indicator it will collapse rather soon.
People have been saying the economy will collapse for ages but it hasn't. They have diversified the economy a lot with less reliance on natural resources and have spread out into agriculture which will help stablize the economy and prevent it from just being reliant on gas, oil, etc.
But you are right in your original post, it's just way too expensive to live easily in the country and the cost of living makes it a horrible place to live.
mrsteak wrote:A place you really will not like to live in anymore.
fanning wrote:mrsteak wrote:A place you really will not like to live in anymore.
Isn't it great to be an expat. You always have an escape if what you predict happens, actually happens.
Until then, we have a great life in Peru !
mrsteak wrote:well, in case of any emergency you wont escape Lima... no ticket for u! And the road system is not prepared for any emergency escape. We had 2 weeks no tap water in Surco when all the rains came down in April. Or was it March? Anyway you see what I mean... this city is not prepared in any aspect to host 10 Milion. No way.
mrsteak wrote:Formidable 1 wrote:All this meat talk makes me glad I'm a vegetarian.
Which is extremely difficult in a carnivorous country like Peru.
well I wouldnt say that! you have lots of great fruits and vegetables here. However, people are just not used to eat vegetarian dishes, so you may have some social pressure to eat meat.
fanning wrote:If you want European securities, you know were to go. At least we don't have ISIS attacking us yet as they are doing in Europe at the moment.
Even the St Nicolas arrival in Holland had to be secured with antiterrorist-concrete-disguised as gifts.
The Peruvian airforce is only used to intimidade the New Zealand football-team, so it is used not in war, but in football !
What a great country to live in !
mrsteak wrote:I also hardly disagree with what our Govs had done in Europe - however it is not a solution to go to a country where the gov just has no idea about anything, like in Peru. I bet "those people" do not come to South America, but if one day they come, the peruvian gov won't even be able to put these concrete anti-terrorist walls... no money. So don't be proud of not having/needing it yet in Lima. It is just that way because AS OF NOW nobody cares about Peru. I won't depend on that.
mrsteak wrote:Now guess WHY there is increasing terrorism in EU...
ironchefchris wrote:Didn't see any mentions of Peru being one of the worst countries to live on any lists, but I did see mention of Colombia, Brazil, Argentina, and Venezuela in addition to countries like Syria, Somalia, Iran, Iraq, North Korea, etc.. Of course the whole idea of "worst" is subjective. I couldn't see wasting my time living somewhere I think is one of the worst places to live. Why bother when there are so many other options?
https://www.thetoptens.com/worst-countries-live/
https://qz.com/1073486/greece-is-the-wo ... -an-expat/
http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the- ... ve-in.html
fanning wrote:mrsteak wrote:I also hardly disagree with what our Govs had done in Europe - however it is not a solution to go to a country where the gov just has no idea about anything, like in Peru. I bet "those people" do not come to South America, but if one day they come, the peruvian gov won't even be able to put these concrete anti-terrorist walls... no money. So don't be proud of not having/needing it yet in Lima. It is just that way because AS OF NOW nobody cares about Peru. I won't depend on that.
Peru kind of had the worst terrorism you can think of in the 80ties and beginning '90. And they got rid of it ! For over 25 years we live in an everyday more prosperous country ! Even the released terrorist start to admit they were wrong and Peru has gotten on the right track.
Extreme poverty dropped to 9% , moderate poverty from 45% -> 19 %, so it seems to be on the right track.
http://www.worldbank.org/en/country/peru/overview
SilverbackPeru wrote:The hard thing about living in Lima is the ugliness of the place. Mass unfinished concrete hell holes with metal bars sticking out of the buildings, poor brick work with random bricks sticking out of walls for no reason. The badly wired cables across the streets, then there's the rubbish!!! God i hate the rubbish.
They may come and collect rubbish every day but they sure don't take all of it and loads ends up across the street. Rubbish is a problem as well on council estates but at least the buildings are finished and people take care of their property a bit better unless they are chavs.
Even when living in one of Limas richest areas litter was always made me angry.
mrsteak wrote:SilverbackPeru wrote:The hard thing about living in Lima is the ugliness of the place. Mass unfinished concrete hell holes with metal bars sticking out of the buildings, poor brick work with random bricks sticking out of walls for no reason. The badly wired cables across the streets, then there's the rubbish!!! God i hate the rubbish.
They may come and collect rubbish every day but they sure don't take all of it and loads ends up across the street. Rubbish is a problem as well on council estates but at least the buildings are finished and people take care of their property a bit better unless they are chavs.
Even when living in one of Limas richest areas litter was always made me angry.
yeah... what kind of "architects" design all this crap buildings?! in our flat of 100qm about 30qm are lost on "dead space" like floors or unusable edges. The problem is not only outside look but also the insides.
You can use google maps to explore other places, however looking at Arequipa, Cuzco, etc it does not seem better anywhere. It is like a plague in Peru. Everywhere that bad brick constructions with sticking bars. It makes me sick.
SilverbackPeru wrote:I do love the nicer parts of Lima with it's modern apartments, nice parks but these are just tiny pockets in a city of ten million everything outside of those pockets is rubbish although there's no difference between Lima in that respect with places like Manchester which is a ugly place as well.
mrsteak wrote:
Look at Panama: you buy RE for 300.000 and you obtain permanent residency. So why spend 300k in Peru? Whats the point?
Alan wrote:mrsteak wrote:
Look at Panama: you buy RE for 300.000 and you obtain permanent residency. So why spend 300k in Peru? Whats the point?
It is a good point, though I have heard Panama is killer hot.
Most expats who come here have ulterior motives.. maybe work or family, but, if you don't need to consider those things there are no doubt a lot of places that beat Lima hands down. It all depends what you are looking for, and what you enjoy.
69roadrunner wrote:Yeah ulterior motives because a lot of places do not hide you like Peru, hands down. Why else settle in Peru LOL. All you gotta do is marry a Peruvian Princess Abra cadabra you citizenship and hidden. Poof gone.
Btw You or anyone want to share those 'ulterior motives?"
Alan wrote: His own theory is that restrictions are getting tighter because of the avalanche of migrants from Venezuela. I have no idea if that idea holds water or not.
mrsteak wrote:SilverbackPeru wrote:I do love the nicer parts of Lima with it's modern apartments, nice parks but these are just tiny pockets in a city of ten million everything outside of those pockets is rubbish although there's no difference between Lima in that respect with places like Manchester which is a ugly place as well.
but do you really have so much pollution in Manchester? Do you have so many cars smoking like a chimney? Places can be ugly but still have some quality of life. Lima is ugly AND polluted like hell. So what's the point to live there?
Once you get your pulmonary cancer you will rethink this point!
