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Corruption Index: Peru

Postby tupacperu » Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:11 pm

Peru is not a far stretch from Venezuela. (Wow!)

Surprised to see Argentina in the same camp as Venezuela (Oh Yeah, right they have a socialist President - Cristina Fernández de Kirchner :)

http://www.transparency.org/policy_rese ... nteractive

U.S. slips to historic low in global corruption index

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-slips- ... 0.html?x=0


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Re: Corruption Index: Peru

Postby americorps » Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:32 pm

Peru is not a far stretch from Venezuela. (Wow!)


Peru is 78, Venezuela 164 out of 178 countries. How is that, by any definition, not a far stretch?

I do appreciate that Singapore and Chile are amount the 22 countries that beat out the USA.

Argentina is at 105, about par with Mexico which seems appropriate to me.
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Re: Corruption Index: Peru

Postby JoshuS » Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:00 pm

[quote="tupacperu"]Peru is not a far stretch from Venezuela. (Wow!)

Surprised to see Argentina in the same camp as Venezuela (Oh Yeah, right they have a socialist President - Cristina Fernández de Kirchner :)
U.S. slips to historic low in global corruption index



Wow!!! Very well done PR, Edward Bernays would be most proud. The US should rightfully be in the 6.2 %, way down at the very bottom in that scale.

This is how "Transparency.org" defines corruption (from their website): "Corruption is the abuse of entrusted power for private gain. It hurts everyone whose life, livelihood or happiness depends on the integrity of people in a position of authority."

What a joke.
Isn't that exactly what the US cabal elite, as an agent of the international banking cartel in collusion with international corporations spread around the world every day via economic warfare and militarily via the Military Industrial Complex under Pentagon's Full Spectrum Dominance doctrine?

This fake PR index, most certainly ignores all geopolitical currents events , warfare economic implications and the cold facts behind the so called "War on Terror" (when in fact the real terrorists is our military as well as the banking cartel) as a pretext to invade countries in the Middle East and Eurasia, blatantly violating human rights and the killing of innocent civilians, for the sole insane, pernicious and unsustainable purpose of controlling finite resources by an elite few, all in the name of profit.
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Re: Corruption Index: Peru

Postby tupacperu » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:30 am

americorps wrote:
Peru is not a far stretch from Venezuela. (Wow!)


Peru is 78, Venezuela 164 out of 178 countries. How is that, by any definition, not a far stretch?

I do appreciate that Singapore and Chile are amount the 22 countries that beat out the USA.

Argentina is at 105, about par with Mexico which seems appropriate to me.


http://www.livinginperu.com/news-13422- ... tion-index

Peru scores 3.5 in this year's index: Venezuela scores of 2.

-Ok Peru is 1.5% less corrupt (not much of a difference when you score 0-10 (Neither are not too highly clean)

Yes in the league with Venezuela or not too far away :-)

Peru scores 3.5 in this year's index, where 10 is "highly clean" and 0 is "highly corrupt," down from its score of 3.7 in 2009.
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Re: Corruption Index: Peru

Postby americorps » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:59 am

on a 10 point scale, 1.5 points is 15%, not 1.5%, and if you do not round out the math, it is closer to 18%.

Adn that 18% allows rooms for 86 other countries to edge out VZ without surpassing Peru.
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Re: Corruption Index: Peru

Postby Alpineprince » Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:28 pm

Corruption is one of the things that make living in Peru attractive. 1 phone call/3 days/500 Soles and you can have a drivers licence delivered to your door! Te Amo Peru!
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Re: Corruption Index: Peru

Postby El Tunche » Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:01 am

Argentina is not corrupt because of the socialist goverment, is corrupt because like in Peru and other parts of LatinAmerica, the "viveza criolla" is celebrated, and they make fun of an honest person .
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Re: Corruption Index: Peru

Postby markr » Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:58 am

Alpineprince wrote:Corruption is one of the things that make living in Peru attractive. 1 phone call/3 days/500 Soles and you can have a drivers licence delivered to your door! Te Amo Peru!


Give me the phone number.
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Re: Corruption Index: Peru

Postby Alpineprince » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:12 pm

markr wrote:
Alpineprince wrote:Corruption is one of the things that make living in Peru attractive. 1 phone call/3 days/500 Soles and you can have a drivers licence delivered to your door! Te Amo Peru!


Give me the phone number.

Getting that # will cost you a lot of MONEY!
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Re: Corruption Index: Peru

Postby tupacperu » Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:57 pm

El Tunche wrote:Argentina is not corrupt because of the socialist goverment, is corrupt because like in Peru and other parts of LatinAmerica, the "viveza criolla" is celebrated, and they make fun of an honest person .


Not badmouthing Argentina :-).

but the formula for most outside of Latin America "Socialist=Corrupt"(no necessarily true)
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Re: Corruption Index: Peru

Postby tupacperu » Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:59 pm

americorps wrote:on a 10 point scale, 1.5 points is 15%, not 1.5%, and if you do not round out the math, it is closer to 18%.

Adn that 18% allows rooms for 86 other countries to edge out VZ without surpassing Peru.



Let say Peru is not in the top 5 and leave the percentages out of it.

score 0-10
3.5 is not out of the woods :).
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Re: Corruption Index: Peru

Postby scott » Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:03 pm

tupacperu wrote:the formula for most outside of Latin America "Socialist=Corrupt"(no necessarily true)


No, socialism = fail would be more accurate. I don't think anyone here has equated socialism and corruption.
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Re: Corruption Index: Peru

Postby mahou123 » Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:18 pm

Alpineprince wrote:
markr wrote:
Alpineprince wrote:Corruption is one of the things that make living in Peru attractive. 1 phone call/3 days/500 Soles and you can have a drivers licence delivered to your door! Te Amo Peru!


Give me the phone number.

Getting that # will cost you a lot of MONEY!


This is bs, authentic drivers licence would cost you about 700 even in Tumbes. Going through everything legally, like all the exams and bureaucracy, would be more than 400 already, that´s when you have Peruvian CE and everything. They can probably sell you a fake one for 500 soles or less, but if you get caught with a fake driver´s licence, you will discover another dimension of attractive Peruvian corruption. :lol:
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Re: Corruption Index: Peru

Postby Alpineprince » Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:00 pm

mahou123 wrote:
Alpineprince wrote:
markr wrote:
Alpineprince wrote:Corruption is one of the things that make living in Peru attractive. 1 phone call/3 days/500 Soles and you can have a drivers licence delivered to your door! Te Amo Peru!


Give me the phone number.

Getting that # will cost you a lot of MONEY!


This is bs, authentic drivers licence would cost you about 700 even in Tumbes. Going through everything legally, like all the exams and bureaucracy, would be more than 400 already, that´s when you have Peruvian CE and everything. They can probably sell you a fake one for 500 soles or less, but if you get caught with a fake driver´s licence, you will discover another dimension of attractive Peruvian corruption. :lol:

I do not know prices in Tumbes, so can not argue it with you. Fakes in Lima can be had by anyone for 300 Soles, so I think we are in the same ballpark. Fakes are only to be used "outside Peru" for rental cars, etc, If you have a car here then surely you would only buy a "valid one"!
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Re: Corruption Index: Peru

Postby scott » Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:10 pm

Getting your license here is not terribly difficult. It does take some time, but it is worth the hassle to do it right. It costs around S/. 100 for everything, medical exam and tests. By doing things illegally, you are just further perpetuating corruption.

Out of curiosity, why would anyone spend 3 to 7 times the cost of doing it legally?
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Re: Corruption Index: Peru

Postby Alpineprince » Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:41 am

scott wrote:Getting your license here is not terribly difficult. It does take some time, but it is worth the hassle to do it right. It costs around S/. 100 for everything, medical exam and tests. By doing things illegally, you are just further perpetuating corruption.

Out of curiosity, why would anyone spend 3 to 7 times the cost of doing it legally?

Some peoples time is more valuable (to them) than a few bucks!

But, we are getting off track here. Peru is corrupt like any nation on earth. In most developed countries only the rich and powerful are able to work the system. In Peru it only takes connections and a bit of money. Before I knew the Miraflores cops, I was shelling out "coinma" weekly. Once I had connections, I could drive in Lima with impunity (no licence). I have since sold my car and have no need for a licence, so for me there is no point in getting one. But I know I can!
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Re: Corruption Index: Peru

Postby Remigius » Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:11 pm

Alpineprince wrote:But, we are getting off track here. Peru is corrupt like any nation on earth. In most developed countries only the rich and powerful are able to work the system.


Countries aren't corrupt. People are. I found it fascinating how you were stopped weekly and had to "shell out" coimas, while I'm driving here already for 5 years and have been stopped only once (regular police control). How did you do that?
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Re: Corruption Index: Peru

Postby Alpineprince » Sun Oct 31, 2010 8:57 pm

Remigius wrote:
Alpineprince wrote:But, we are getting off track here. Peru is corrupt like any nation on earth. In most developed countries only the rich and powerful are able to work the system.


Countries aren't corrupt. People are. I found it fascinating how you were stopped weekly and had to "shell out" coimas, while I'm driving here already for 5 years and have been stopped only once (regular police control). How did you do that?

Blond hair/Blue eyes and think one way streets are for people with too much time on their hands!
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Re: Corruption Index: Peru

Postby tupacperu » Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:19 pm

Alpineprince wrote:
Remigius wrote:
Alpineprince wrote:But, we are getting off track here. Peru is corrupt like any nation on earth. In most developed countries only the rich and powerful are able to work the system.


Countries aren't corrupt. People are. I found it fascinating how you were stopped weekly and had to "shell out" coimas, while I'm driving here already for 5 years and have been stopped only once (regular police control). How did you do that?

Blond hair/Blue eyes and think one way streets are for people with too much time on their hands!


reverse racial profiling :-)
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Re: Corruption Index: Peru

Postby Remigius » Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:06 pm

Alpineprince wrote:
Remigius wrote:
Alpineprince wrote:But, we are getting off track here. Peru is corrupt like any nation on earth. In most developed countries only the rich and powerful are able to work the system.


Countries aren't corrupt. People are. I found it fascinating how you were stopped weekly and had to "shell out" coimas, while I'm driving here already for 5 years and have been stopped only once (regular police control). How did you do that?

Blond hair/Blue eyes and think one way streets are for people with too much time on their hands!


Funny, it's hard to keep track on the times me and my kids were almost hit by cars going against traffic. Ironic how people want to buy extra time by taking it away from others.
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Re: Corruption Index: Peru

Postby JoshuS » Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:51 pm

Transparency .org serves the role of assuaging the image of the corrupt establishment we live in as is, a good PR tool for the status quo, and it is financed by the Ford Foundation.

Corruption, sadly, fulfills two very "important" functions, it facilitates processes in countries that are broken down effectively, as in countries that lack institutional infrastructure, capital and so forth, so corruption serves as a facilitator, it's the oil that oils the machine so to speak, and without corruption many of these countries' people would simply die, they would not have food, hospitals, schools, etc, this way corruption is sort of a parallel "government", a parallel informal flow of the decision making on one hand, and information from the public to decision makers on the other, therefore corruption in some respects, in certain locations, places is not necessarily all together a bad thing. This is an unfortunate and sad reality within the monetary system. I'm not advocating corruption here, just presenting it as the way it functions in broken down societies. And, the levels and visibility of corruption are directly proportional to the degree these societies are broken down. The more sophisticated the society the less visible the corruption, even legalized by the powers that be, like the US for example, but still extremely corrupt to the core nonetheless.

Another thing, the West, led by the Anglo-American system, collaborates and incites the global corruption, multinationals are the main drivers of corruption, banks in Switzerland, in Austria, the US, all over are the main hoarders of the fruits of this global corruption. Corrupt dictators deposit their money in Swiss banks for example, and make good use of it, making profits over it and manage elitist private wealth and so forth, pretty much everyone is implicated, the only difference is that the West has this facade of not having corruption because vicariously enjoys the fruits of all this corruption, just like they did in the third world with minerals per se, during the colonial period and so on.
Transaprency.org's index is a complete dishonest and corrupt fallacy. Who are they kidding?

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