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Wiki Leaks - Meddling in Latin America

Postby tupacperu » Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:02 pm

There are 1,388 cables from Peru in Wikileaks. There are even the Petro Audios.

US Meddling in Latin America:
What is even more interesting is the reason:
continuing pressures on
various governments, from Brazil to Turkey to serve the interests
commercial or United States military.



http://elcomercio.pe/mundo/676127/notic ... -fernandez

U.S. seeked to isolate Hugo Chávez, and requested health information of
Cristina Fernández mental Health

The documents have been leaked in the last hours also detail
certain movements of the United States during the coup that ousted
Manuel Zelaya in Honduras

Sunday November 28, 2010 - 4:51 pm 3 comments

(AP)
Madrid (dpa). Efforts to isolate the president of Venezuela, Hugo
Chavez, and a request for information on mental health of the president of
Argentina, Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, are some of the information
contained in more than 250,000 messages from the Department of State
obtained by Wikileaks U.S., reported the Spanish daily El
Country "online.

Chavez on Wikileaks
The newspaper said that among these are some that account for "the
efforts to woo Latin American countries to isolate Venezuela
Hugo Chavez "or" the continuing pressures on
various governments, from Brazil to Turkey to serve the interests
commercial or United States military.

The newspaper said that tomorrow Monday "provide details, for example, on
suspicions that the president of Argentina, Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner
Washington wakes up to the point that the Secretary of State arrives
inquire about your mental health. "

MOVEMENTS IN COUP DE HONDURAS
He adds that "there are cables of great historical value, such as revealing
the commitment of U.S. diplomacy for the overthrow of General
Panamanian strongman Manuel Antonio Noriega or detailing certain movements
United States during the coup that deposed Manuel Zelaya
Honduras. "

HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS
Among the information released today by the "Country" is a document sent
on December 28, 1966 from the U.S. Embassy in Argentina, six
months after the coup by General Juan Carlos Ongania to 15 years
before the Falklands War, which pitted Britain and Argentina over the
southern islands, which Argentina is warning that plans to increase its water
comprising land in its new configuration to the Falklands.


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Re: Wiki Leaks - Meddling in Latin America

Postby Remigius » Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:23 am

The only interesting part of this whole story is the fact so much information was leaked. The Russians, Chinese, British, etc. are doing these things for decades, but apparently they seem to be able to hold the lid on it.
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Postby JoshuS » Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:47 pm

It's not news the US has been, is and will meddle in Latin America, perhaps for those under the spell of corporate controlled media may come as a surprise. It's not news either the fact the US uses its embassies as intelligence centers to spy on Latin America and the world. Usually the US ambassadors (agents)placed in sub developed countries such in Latin America have some kind of intelligence background and/or training, and have been trained in techniques about how to destabilize countries, coup d'etats, torture, psy ops/warfare and anything else off the CIA black handbook, all the necessary tools to be employed against governments that don't line up with US corporate/banking interests.

But what's interesting to me is what Wikileaks leaves out, like, the true intentions of the US Government against democratic and progressive nations and the rest of the world. How come the cables don't mention US support for terrorists who operate in Iran installing car-bombs and killing scientists? How about the same cables don't reveal US/Israel practices, for example of Israeli assassins (Mosad) who collaborated with the CIA? There's seems to be a selective cable release of information.

Like the car-bomb attempt NE of Teheran (Iran) which killed an Iranian scientist leaving other three by standers injured, this is an indication of policies implemented by the state of Israel to kill any official related to the civilian and medical nuclear program. We don't need Wikileaks for what is public domain, that Israel works with terrorist groups, which they themselves claim to have infiltrated with agents operating in Iran. How about the ongoing policies the US implements to destabilize Chavez's democratic government for example, the cables only reveal an intentional regional isolation trend, etc. But we know it's much more involved and serious than that, not only in LA but all over the world. I think it's important to investigate whether the leaked documents were selected to benefit some countries and damage others.
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Postby Xibalba » Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:17 pm

My friend's first cousin is Roberto Micheletti, the temporary Honduran President who took over for Zelaya after he was ousted. It was never a "coup" by any stretch of the definition. I was getting the information during that period first hand, from the Micheletti family, and it was in complete contradiction to the talking points parroted by every spectrum of the news media in the US and most of the world, from the BBC to Fox News to NPR.

Reminded me of something I saw first hand in New York City almost 20 years ago. I was at the Javitz Center for a convention, and as we left in the early evening a pro-Cuba forum was just starting inside the building. We watched as the police forced the pro-Cuba rallyists (all of about 25 of them) enter the Javitz center through a side door, away from the front of the building. Meanwhile, TV cameras and huge lights ahd already been set up, probably hours beforehand, and police on horseback were gathering. An anti-Cuba rally was organized in the front, and then we actually saw men get out of police cars, in plain clothes, and start a fake shouting match. It was clear they were plain clothes cops, working with the media, to make it seem as if a riot was going to break out, to prove that the pro-Cuban people were violent and unhinged. Meanwhile, they were actually sitting inside, quietly listening to some speakers; and most of the ones I saw were all senior citizens.

That night, I went home and my ex-wife told me that she had "heard all about the riot outside the Javitz Center!" and was worried I had been trampled. I watched the news and was shocked. There were the phony cops pretending to be pro-Cuba people, arguing with the anti-Cuba rallyists, making it appear as if the pro-Cuba folks were irrational, violent and even armed. The shots they took were intentionally close-cropped, an old Hollywood trick to make a small group of people (there were only about 75 people out front) look like a crushing mass of thousands. Meanwhile, the truth was that the pro-Cuban people had already been escorted inside, through a side door, and never set foot near the front of the center, where this "riot" was supposed to have taken place. The entire thing was orchestrated by the police, the media and the anti-Castro lobby. I would never have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own two eyes.

Recently, a Congressmen here in the US said, about the new TSA scanning/pat-down procedures, that if you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry about. So why is the US so worried about Wiki Leaks?
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Postby JoshuS » Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:20 pm

Xibalba wrote:My friend's first cousin is Roberto Micheletti, the temporary Honduran President who took over for Zelaya after he was ousted. It was never a "coup" by any stretch of the definition. I was getting the information during that period first hand, from the Micheletti family, and it was in complete contradiction to the talking points parroted by every spectrum of the news media in the US and most of the world, from the BBC to Fox News to NPR.


Micheletti was part of the conspirators (US backed) who gave the coup d'etat to the democratically elected president Zelaya, by making it look like Zelaya violated the constitution and with the sponsoring and support of the USA by using the Honduran military, whose many of their high ranking officials had been students of the "School of the Americas" (school of assassins), now in Georgia. This was already discussed ad nauseum here.

Xibalba wrote:Reminded me of something I saw first hand in New York City almost 20 years ago. I was at the Javitz Center for a convention, and as we left in the early evening a pro-Cuba forum was just starting inside the building. We watched as the police forced the pro-Cuba rallyists (all of about 25 of them) enter the Javitz center through a side door, away from the front of the building. Meanwhile, TV cameras and huge lights ahd already been set up, probably hours beforehand, and police on horseback were gathering. An anti-Cuba rally was organized in the front, and then we actually saw men get out of police cars, in plain clothes, and start a fake shouting match. It was clear they were plain clothes cops, working with the media, to make it seem as if a riot was going to break out, to prove that the pro-Cuban people were violent and unhinged. Meanwhile, they were actually sitting inside, quietly listening to some speakers; and most of the ones I saw were all senior citizens.

That night, I went home and my ex-wife told me that she had "heard all about the riot outside the Javitz Center!" and was worried I had been trampled. I watched the news and was shocked. There were the phony cops pretending to be pro-Cuba people, arguing with the anti-Cuba rallyists, making it appear as if the pro-Cuba folks were irrational, violent and even armed. The shots they took were intentionally close-cropped, an old Hollywood trick to make a small group of people (there were only about 75 people out front) look like a crushing mass of thousands. Meanwhile, the truth was that the pro-Cuban people had already been escorted inside, through a side door, and never set foot near the front of the center, where this "riot" was supposed to have taken place. The entire thing was orchestrated by the police, the media and the anti-Castro lobby. I would never have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own two eyes.


This is so typical, yet people fall for these propaganda tricks more often than not.

Xibalba wrote:Recently, a Congressmen here in the US said, about the new TSA scanning/pat-down procedures, that if you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry about. So why is the US so worried about Wiki Leaks?


TSA airport proceduresare not about "if you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry about", rather it's about profit making, intimidation, fear and a way to test people to see how much BS they can take.
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Postby rama0929 » Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:22 pm

Xibalba wrote:My friend's first cousin is Roberto Micheletti, the temporary Honduran President who took over for Zelaya after he was ousted. It was never a "coup" by any stretch of the definition.


Yeah, I tried explaining it over and over again that it wasn't a coup, but no one listened; it was quite frustrating... I did get a kick out of Chancellor Ortez's comments, though.
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Re: Wiki Leaks - Meddling in Latin America

Postby El Tunche » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:28 pm

there wasnt a coup in Honduras, the congress using the law, ordered the military to arrest the presidente for crimes against the constitution , and thats it
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Postby JoshuS » Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:15 am

El Tunche wrote:there wasnt a coup in Honduras, the congress using the law, ordered the military to arrest the presidente for crimes against the constitution , and thats it


Sure! ...and Obama is a Marxist, Chavez is a Hitler and the Tea Party is a true grass roots movement. LOL! The real battlefield is the mind

More on the latest Wikileaks:

http://www.therealnews.com/t2/index.php ... mival=5935

http://www.therealnews.com/t2/index.php ... mival=5939
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Postby El Tunche » Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:03 pm

i always suspected that Chavez was Hitler and the marxist roots of Obama, but is a surprise for me that stuff about the Tea Party :shock:
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Postby tupacperu » Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:51 pm

It was a coup, Tell your friends cousin :-).
if you forced out a president without a recall election or democratic process that is consider a coup, even if you have congress and the military on your side, you have violated the will of the people.

Coup are not always a miltary or armed take over.
The president was elected by the people but a handfull of special interest formed a movement ot oust him.




Xibalba wrote:My friend's first cousin is Roberto Micheletti, the temporary Honduran President who took over for Zelaya after he was ousted. It was never a "coup" by any stretch of the definition. I was getting the information during that period first hand, from the Micheletti family, and it was in complete contradiction to the talking points parroted by every spectrum of the news media in the US and most of the world, from the BBC to Fox News to NPR.

Reminded me of something I saw first hand in New York City almost 20 years ago. I was at the Javitz Center for a convention, and as we left in the early evening a pro-Cuba forum was just starting inside the building. We watched as the police forced the pro-Cuba rallyists (all of about 25 of them) enter the Javitz center through a side door, away from the front of the building. Meanwhile, TV cameras and huge lights ahd already been set up, probably hours beforehand, and police on horseback were gathering. An anti-Cuba rally was organized in the front, and then we actually saw men get out of police cars, in plain clothes, and start a fake shouting match. It was clear they were plain clothes cops, working with the media, to make it seem as if a riot was going to break out, to prove that the pro-Cuban people were violent and unhinged. Meanwhile, they were actually sitting inside, quietly listening to some speakers; and most of the ones I saw were all senior citizens.

That night, I went home and my ex-wife told me that she had "heard all about the riot outside the Javitz Center!" and was worried I had been trampled. I watched the news and was shocked. There were the phony cops pretending to be pro-Cuba people, arguing with the anti-Cuba rallyists, making it appear as if the pro-Cuba folks were irrational, violent and even armed. The shots they took were intentionally close-cropped, an old Hollywood trick to make a small group of people (there were only about 75 people out front) look like a crushing mass of thousands. Meanwhile, the truth was that the pro-Cuban people had already been escorted inside, through a side door, and never set foot near the front of the center, where this "riot" was supposed to have taken place. The entire thing was orchestrated by the police, the media and the anti-Castro lobby. I would never have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own two eyes.

Recently, a Congressmen here in the US said, about the new TSA scanning/pat-down procedures, that if you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry about. So why is the US so worried about Wiki Leaks?
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Postby tupacperu » Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:52 pm

Good ole "School of the Americas" = Legal Terrorist training/military
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Postby tupacperu » Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:03 pm

El Tunche wrote:there wasnt a coup in Honduras, the congress using the law, ordered the military to arrest the presidente for crimes against the constitution , and thats it


There was no crime. Just a proposal to allow a president to run for additional term ( modify constitution).
It was to be put up for a vote. In which the capitalist-congress/right knew that the center-left or left would win.
The Military exile the president and did not arrest him and there was no democratic due process. I would call that a coup.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Hondu ... 7%C3%A9tat

The only reason the current rightist president is in office is because many leftist/center left/poor boycotted the elections. President by default.

If this violated a civil law it could be thrown out by congress and the courts. There is nothing criminal about proposing a constitutional change. There was never a criminal act.

That would be the equivilent of locking up those who favor modifying the US Constitution to exclude anchor babies.
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Re: Wiki Leaks - Meddling in Latin America

Postby americorps » Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:02 pm

tupac,

I neither agree nor disagree if it was a coupe o not as there are very valid arguments on both sides, but I do disagree with your comparison.

That would be the equivilent of locking up those who favor modifying the US Constitution to exclude anchor babies


Whether you agree with it or not, there is a law within the Constitution in Honduras making it illegal to even challenge that portion of the Constitution. No such law exists in the US Constitution.

Whether that law is realistic or valid is another issue, but the comparison to the US Constitution is false.

Also, the wikilieaks are not startling for South America, they are rather blah and predictable...and pretty dated. What our government did in 1966 should be known, but is not very relevant today. It is no surprise that the US was lobbying to isolate VZ, in fact it is well known. Hardly some news flash. You also left out some information, an editorial decision of yours that shows a bias...that during the coupes of Honduras, that the US made strong arguments to both accept and not accept the new regime.

Aslo, if you go back and read what was actually said, Kirschner was not actually criticized, again I point to your obviously editorial opinion slipped in the fact, but instead inquired about how her nerves and anxiety affecting her job, especially knowing that her husband was gravely ill. A fair question honestly. Not the most tactful, but neither without merit nor really a criticism.

Really, the only telling thing I have found from the wikileaks so far is the number of Arab countries deeply concerned over Iran and questioning the honor and integrity of their officials. I sort of suspected the Mideast was slightly less divided over the issue than that. China´s growing impatience with the Koreas´s and even possible supporting unification with Soul being the capital was also suprising, though very rational.

With the exception of anyone who´s life is in danger, i do not have a problem for the wikilieaks, however, I do have a problem with people spinning them to mean whatever they want without presenting fair and balanced information, whether it is faux news, CNN, Pravda, or expatperu posters.

I have always had a healthy distrust of the media, but I have an equally healthy distrust for anyone who has an anti media or anti government viewpoint. As always, the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle.
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Postby rgamarra » Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:03 am

The U.S. national archives released the Kissinger files within recent years. There is clear evidence that the U.S. had meddled in Latin America. As a matter of fact, much of our foreign policy towards Latin America has been in existence since the 19h century under the Monroe Doctrine. Franklin D. Roosevelt tried to cooperatively intervene with Latin America during the 1930's and 40's, but in the 1960's we saw more aggressive U.S. intervention under Kennedy (remember it was during the time of the "Red Scare").

These wikileaks files revealing U.S. meddling in Latin America is nothing new. The U.S. has specifically used Latin America as an economic Guinea Pig since the 1970's when they backed military regimes (some of the darkest times for Latin America). Latin America has historically been a source of primary resources for North America and Europe, the colonizing crowns of Spain and Portugal never had any intention of using Latin America as an expanded market for its exports (unlike Britain and France), and the U.S. filled the vacuum when Latin America declared its Independence (hence the Monroe Doctrine).

The Kissinger transcripts are available via the (U.S.) National Archive, no need to visit wikileaks. All other information via wikileaks is gossip.

Alan Garcia is lock in step with the U.S. b/c it personally benfits him. Toledo is lock in step with the U.S. b/c he was educated at Harvard and worked at the World Bank (although I do have a favorable opinion of Toledo as an economic leader; but not so much as a head of state).

I think it has been evident that the U.S. has been meddling in Latin American politics and leadership since the United Fruit Company. They only (now) keep tabs on leaders they believe they have dominance over (i.e. Chavez, C. Fernandez, Correa, Morales). They would not dare confront leaders of countries larger than the U.S. by terms of land mass and economy during this current financial crisis (i.e. Lula of Brazil). Remember, where there is U.S. Aid there are U.S. special interest companies acting as contractors (i.e. Colombia).
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Postby tupacperu » Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:45 pm

Nothing New Americorp (Glass half empty/ glass half full).

americorps wrote:tupac,

I neither agree nor disagree if it was a coupe o not as there are very valid arguments on both sides, but I do disagree with your comparison.

That would be the equivilent of locking up those who favor modifying the US Constitution to exclude anchor babies


Whether you agree with it or not, there is a law within the Constitution in Honduras making it illegal to even challenge that portion of the Constitution. No such law exists in the US Constitution.

Whether that law is realistic or valid is another issue, but the comparison to the US Constitution is false.

Also, the wikilieaks are not startling for South America, they are rather blah and predictable...and pretty dated. What our government did in 1966 should be known, but is not very relevant today. It is no surprise that the US was lobbying to isolate VZ, in fact it is well known. Hardly some news flash. You also left out some information, an editorial decision of yours that shows a bias...that during the coupes of Honduras, that the US made strong arguments to both accept and not accept the new regime.

Aslo, if you go back and read what was actually said, Kirschner was not actually criticized, again I point to your obviously editorial opinion slipped in the fact, but instead inquired about how her nerves and anxiety affecting her job, especially knowing that her husband was gravely ill. A fair question honestly. Not the most tactful, but neither without merit nor really a criticism.

Really, the only telling thing I have found from the wikileaks so far is the number of Arab countries deeply concerned over Iran and questioning the honor and integrity of their officials. I sort of suspected the Mideast was slightly less divided over the issue than that. China´s growing impatience with the Koreas´s and even possible supporting unification with Soul being the capital was also suprising, though very rational.

With the exception of anyone who´s life is in danger, i do not have a problem for the wikilieaks, however, I do have a problem with people spinning them to mean whatever they want without presenting fair and balanced information, whether it is faux news, CNN, Pravda, or expatperu posters.

I have always had a healthy distrust of the media, but I have an equally healthy distrust for anyone who has an anti media or anti government viewpoint. As always, the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle.
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Postby Xibalba » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:11 pm

tupacperu wrote:
El Tunche wrote:there wasnt a coup in Honduras, the congress using the law, ordered the military to arrest the presidente for crimes against the constitution , and thats it


There was no crime. Just a proposal to allow a president to run for additional term ( modify constitution).
It was to be put up for a vote. In which the capitalist-congress/right knew that the center-left or left would win.
The Military exile the president and did not arrest him and there was no democratic due process. I would call that a coup.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Hondu ... 7%C3%A9tat

That would be the equivilent of locking up those who favor modifying the US Constitution to exclude anchor babies.


Not quite. First, if you look up a Wikipedia entry wthich BY TITLE has already decreed the action as a "coup" then you will only get information supporting that assertion.

A better analysis is followed by looking it up under "constitutional crisis" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Hondu ... nal_crisis) which defines how Zelaya *DID* break the law. The democratically elected government AND the supreme court determined that Zelaya's attempt to change the constitution WAS illegal, and when he pushed ahead with the referendum AGAINST THE SUPREME COURT'S DECISION, he broke the law.

So in your analogy, if someone attempted to change the US constitution to exclude anchor babies, and lost, and the Supreme Court (the final say on any law) declared the move illegal, AND THE PERSON WENT AHEAD AND DID IT ANYWAY, they would be arrested for breaking Federal Law... just like Zelaya was.

To pretend that he was just "proposing" a change to the constitution is factually untrue. He had made the suggestion, was told it was illegal by the other TWO branches of his government, and pushed ahead anyway, which raised certain fear that he was acting like a dictator. That's why there are three branches of government! The fact that his proposal was to extend presidential term limits further raised the spectre of an impending dictatorship, so the government acted, and did so within the legal rights of its own constitution. ONLY ZELAYA BROKE THE CONSTITUTION.

I can also tell you almost first hand that Michelletti did NOT want to take power. That's why he's not President now.

A coup would have placed in power a military-appointed dictator. Instead, they had open elections afterwards.

"Coup" made for good headlines, but also put the Obama administration in a bind. They knew that Zelaya could not be trusted because he was heading for dictatorship, but they latched onto the word "coup" before their embassy officials knew what was going on, and then got stuck defending a potential dictator. That's why it ended with a proposed reinstatement of Zelaya, but with limited political powers.

But a coup? Not by far. In fact, my sources told me that many of the pro-Zelaya protestors were actually Venezuelans, not even Hondurans!
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Postby JoshuS » Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:08 am

It was a by all accounts a coup, given by the Honduran ultra right coordinated and supported by the US, the primary reasons were geopolitical strategy to protect the interest of the Honduran elite and those of the USA in relation to ALBA... they set it up in such a way to make it seem as a violation of the constitution, a constitution that had been modified prior undemocratically by a previous Honduran government client of the US to support those same private interests. That's called in intelligence terms: Smart Power. This was already discussed ad nauseum, do a search.

Going back on subject, there was an interesting debate today about Wiki-leaks on Democracy Now!, they even mention Peru. I'm with Glenn Greenwald on this, we need exposure and full disclosure of worldwide corruption regardless of how secret , classified or "illegal" this information may be, let's not forget this "illegality" or made "classified" information are done so by the same corrupt forces who prefer to keep their actions in the shadows for obvious reasons and for the sake of elitist, private interests.
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Postby americorps » Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:21 am

How do you balance that, JoshuS, with the cables from the US Embassy actually suggesting NOT to recognize the new president?

And when you call it not a coups by all accounts, how do you reconcile that with the law that was broken and the fact that due process was served by going through congress and the Supreme Court?

Just curious how one factors in facts that sort of seem contrary to the opinion?
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Postby tupacperu » Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:44 am

Wiki or no wiki
Definition 101:

coups d'état.
A sudden and decisive action in politics, esp. one resulting in a change of government illegally or by force.

The sudden overthrow of a government by a usually small group of persons in or previously in positions of authority.


The international Community (majority) condemned the action:

The U.S. and other countries condemned the coup. President Barack Obama said he was "deeply concerned" and called on all political actors in Honduras to "respect democratic norms."


The reason Roberto Micheletti was not elected in the new elections was to give legitimacy to the democratic vote and to fall within the norms of democracy. Had Micheletti won the election it would have a polarized Honduras and would have furthered scrutinization of a legitimate democratic gov't.

There we other measure that could have been taken short of kidnapping a president and sending him into exile. There is due process in a democratic gov't , like impeachment. In a democratic gov't you have the right to face accusers in a court of law, defend the charges against you. Yes, Zelaya may have been guilty of overstepping his bounds, but the congress and the courts acted as judges and executioners without due process in a court of law.

Legitimately he was still president (Zelaya) until he is convicted , not charged of a crime.
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Postby tupacperu » Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:50 am

How can a national poll be a criminal act?

This would fall in line as a violation of freedom of expression (gathering the opinion of the public)

This was nothing but a poll, there was nothing up for vote. This was a national poll not a presiential decree, that is why the arrest of Zelaya was not a democratic action. It was a pre-emptive strike by the opposition (elite)

Honduras' Supreme Court, preempting a poll whether to hold a referendum to convene a constituent assembly to change the constitution which was opposed by the legislative branch and which Honduras' Supreme Court had ruled unconstitutional.

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