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Postby happyfeet1 » Mon May 02, 2011 3:19 am

How much does this help Obamas re-election odds? Change the mood of the US?

Will be interesting to see watch poll numbers in the next couple weeks.
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Postby adrian Thorne » Mon May 02, 2011 7:56 am

I am more inclined to think this could be the start of serious reprisals. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/world ... ss&emc=rss
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Postby JoshuS » Mon May 02, 2011 8:23 am

Timely and interesting PR from the US Government...and how interesting, no body, quickly shot in the head, and rapidly disposed of out in the sea. One has to be a fool to believe such propaganda.
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Postby markr » Mon May 02, 2011 9:11 am

JoshuS wrote:Timely and interesting PR from the US Government...and how interesting, no body, quickly shot in the head, and rapidly disposed of out in the sea. One has to be a fool to believe such propaganda.

I echo your sentiments, but the world is full of fools, and those of Adrian, who said
"I am more inclined to think this could be the start of serious reprisals."
For anyone thinking of booking long haul flights. I would suggest holding back for a while. The prices are likely to plummet.
I was reading only this morning that after the recent troubles in Egypt no one is booking to go there, hence the prices are currently rock bottom.
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Postby JoshuS » Mon May 02, 2011 9:23 am

Beware of the photos images of "dead Bin Laden" (he's been dead for a long time...) being plastered all over main stream news, watch this video about how they faked the photosbefore they take it down.
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Postby alan » Mon May 02, 2011 10:07 am

JoshuS wrote:Timely and interesting PR from the US Government...and how interesting, no body, quickly shot in the head, and rapidly disposed of out in the sea. One has to be a fool to believe such propaganda.


Who said the body was disposed of? That would make no sense at all.
JoshuS wrote:Beware of the photos images of "dead Bin Laden" (he's been dead for a long time...) being plastered all over main stream news, watch this video about how they faked the photosbefore they take it down.


The photos presented here date back to 2009. Watch the video and judge for yourself whether this "grass roots" journalist is a credible news source, or a viral video junky.
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Postby markr » Mon May 02, 2011 10:25 am

[quote="Alan"]
Who said the body was disposed of? That would make no sense at all.

Alan. The Washington Post is reporting that the body has been buried at sea, to stop any fixed site becoming a shrine.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... ml?hpid=z2
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Postby windsportinperu » Mon May 02, 2011 10:58 am

"Quien a hierro mata a hierro muere"

This news make me remember the case when Abimael Guzman, the leader of the Shinning Path was captured by the government. Before that point he looked like a sort of "ghost" capable of not being seen by human eyes. I had the same feeling with Osama Bin Laden.

Peruvians as a nation that suffered directly from the effects of terrorism, know how good is the feeling, when a terrorism leader is captured. But we also need to understand that the reason for terrorism in Peru is always poverty and the exclusion of some peruvians as not feeling as part of this nation. Partially, this has changed the last decades, but need more to do..
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Postby Remigius » Mon May 02, 2011 2:05 pm

Alan wrote:Who said the body was disposed of? That would make no sense at all.


Actually, it would make sense, just like the Russians did with Hitler, prevent fans and followers to get together at a burial site to worship the leader. On the other hand, secretly throwing the body in the sea would still create the illusion for die-hard Osama-fans that their leader is still alive.
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Postby alan » Mon May 02, 2011 2:18 pm

markr wrote:
Alan. The Washington Post is reporting that the body has been buried at sea, to stop any fixed site becoming a shrine.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... ml?hpid=z2


Wow.. I stand corrected and can understand the rational behind doing so, but those who planned the attack MUST have thought this through to see the need to offer proof undisputed proof that he´s dead. I guess we will find out in the days ahead.

Very interesting timing though, to coincide with the bombing of Kadafi's quarters, killing his son and 3 grandchildren.
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Postby Kelly » Mon May 02, 2011 2:56 pm

They took pictures, they got confirmation at the scene from witnesses (including his wife), they got DNA evidence. For most people, that is sufficient.

For those who doubt, it won't matter how much proof is shown. If they have a dozen expert witnesses do independent testing of the DNA, a million pictures of the body with identifying marks - hell, if they toured the world with the body in a glass casket so that everyone could see it for themselves - there will still be people who will deny his death and call it a conspiracy.
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Postby americorps » Mon May 02, 2011 3:01 pm

There is so much evidence proving this happened, I can not imagine the thought process of conspirocy theorist and denailist that just pretend the evedince does not exist.
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Postby alan » Mon May 02, 2011 3:06 pm

Kelly wrote: - hell, if they toured the world with the body in a glass casket so that everyone could see it for themselves - there will still be people who will deny his death and call it a conspiracy.


Kelly! You are a marketer in the making. "The Osama "Glass Casket" Tour 2011".

He probably still looks better than a couple of the Rolling Stones.
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Postby MarcoPE » Mon May 02, 2011 3:18 pm

Alan wrote:"The Osama "Glass Casket" Tour 2011"


Actually, the US government should have charged $20 per viewing and they probably could have taken a big chunk out of the deficit. :lol:
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Postby Remigius » Mon May 02, 2011 3:31 pm

Alan wrote:
Kelly wrote: - hell, if they toured the world with the body in a glass casket so that everyone could see it for themselves - there will still be people who will deny his death and call it a conspiracy.


Kelly! You are a marketer in the making. "The Osama "Glass Casket" Tour 2011".

He probably still looks better than a couple of the Rolling Stones.


Don't let Susana Hoefken organise the event for Peru.
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Postby alan » Mon May 02, 2011 3:44 pm

Remigius wrote:
Don't let Susana Hoefken organise the event for Peru.


Morbidity aside, that´s the funniest thing I´ve heard in a long time!
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Postby euroman » Mon May 02, 2011 5:30 pm

I don´t believe anything of it at all?

They say he got killed and buried at sea the same day. I thought there would have been more investigations to be sure they got Osama Bin Laden.

I think that this news is too improve Barack Obama his popularity which has been very low.

Also in 2012 there will be elections in the US so he must come up with something interesting that could get him made reelected.

He forgot that Osama Bin Laden is very popular by many people and considered as a role model and hero to them and that his murder will be retaliated with serious terrorist attacks. His death will make the hatred towards the US much worser and more people will support and join Al Qaida and other similar organisations.
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Postby Kelly » Mon May 02, 2011 6:05 pm

I believe my point was just proven. :roll:
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Postby euroman » Mon May 02, 2011 6:25 pm

Suspícious news. Just before Barack Obama starts his reelection campaign.

They killed him. If he didn't resist why did they kill him? When they found Saddam Houssein, they were showing him to the whole world and considered him as a trophy.

Saddam Houssein didn't resist and they didn't kill him and they gave him a court trail. Why they didn't do the same with Osama Bin Laden?

Why don't they show Osama Bin Laden to the whole world?
Simply, because they didn't find him and will never find him.

The once who are really celebrating now are the guys from Al Qaida. They are all laughing. The fake news off Osama´s death will give them more support and another 'good reason' (to them) to carry out terrorist attacks.
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Postby americorps » Mon May 02, 2011 6:36 pm

euroman,

your theory does not bear out many facts.

The biggest difference between osama bin laden and Saddam Huisen is that Saddam had a country and a government to try him. Osama did not.

There would be fighting to figure out where to try him, where to house him, whatever site would be under sever and constant threat. His guilt is not questioned, he has admitted his responsibility. His own wives have gone on al jazera and said he was killed in the raid.

Muslim law requires that he be burried within 24 hours and it does allow burials at sea, though there is some question about being killed on land and burried at sea. He was burried by a Muslim cleric in the army according to traditions including annointing his body.

If he was held out for public view, it would only increase his martyr capacity and Islamic ire for not burying the body right away. If he was burried...if they could find a country to take his body...The site would become a focal point and a hotbed of agitation. I dare you find a better plan to deal with him.

I really find conspirocy theories without only conjecture and unsupported accusations to be nothing more than gossip.
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Postby euroman » Mon May 02, 2011 6:47 pm

americorps wrote:euroman,

your theory does not bear out many facts.

The biggest difference between osama bin laden and Saddam Huisen is that Saddam had a country and a government to try him. Osama did not.

There would be fighting to figure out where to try him, where to house him, whatever site would be under sever and constant threat. His guilt is not questioned, he has admitted his responsibility. His own wives have gone on al jazera and said he was killed in the raid.

Muslim law requires that he be burried within 24 hours and it does allow burials at sea, though there is some question about being killed on land and burried at sea. He was burried by a Muslim cleric in the army according to traditions including annointing his body.




If he was held out for public view, it would only increase his martyr capacity and Islamic ire for not burying the body right away. If he was burried...if they could find a country to take his body...The site would become a focal point and a hotbed of agitation. I dare you find a better plan to deal with him.

I really find conspirocy theories without only conjecture and unsupported accusations to be nothing more than gossip.


Americorps, you got a point.

But killing him will provoke attacks. Al Qaida already confirmed that Osama's murder will be retaliated and we all know that those guys are not just talking. Serious terrorist attacks will be expected soon. Some friends of mine in the US told me that they don't feel safe since this news and expecting trouble.

And if Osama is really dead...someone else already took his place, so new guy, same s***.
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Postby americorps » Mon May 02, 2011 7:22 pm

I agree reprisals are likely, but I also agree it was the right thing to do. I think Obama was correct.

I also lived in DC on 9-11, heard the plane go down and lost a neighbor in the Pentagon...so I do not look at this objectivly, but take it very personally.

I can not think of a time when I celebrated a person's death, but I can assure you, I will not mourn this one.
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Postby adrian Thorne » Mon May 02, 2011 10:09 pm

A small U.S. strike team, dropped by helicopter to bin Laden's hideout near the Pakistani capital Islamabad under the cover of night, shot dead the al Qaeda leader with a bullet to the head.

One of bin Laden's wives was thought to have been used to shield him at first, White House counterterrorism chief John Brennan told reporters. She was killed, along with one of bin Laden's sons, in the 40-minutes of fighting.



Marks link http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/ ... 7920110502 suggests a raid under fire and human shilds. In this situation it would have been very difficult to take Bin Laden alive.
I agree with Americorps totally. Many people have died because of this man and his beliefs and more die every day. It must be ended and this is a step towards it.
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Postby euroman » Mon May 02, 2011 10:16 pm

adrian Thorne wrote:
I agree with Americorps totally. Many people have died because of this man and his beliefs and more die every day. It must be ended and this is a step towards it.


This is not a step towards the end of it. This is a step to much worser to come. Osama Bin Laden is very popular by millions of people and his murder will be retaliated. If you use violence, you will get more violence.
And the guy who will be replacing him will be much more dangerous.
Al Qaida is not a bunch of amateurs. They are highly trained, specialised professionals and very organised.
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Postby markr » Mon May 02, 2011 11:27 pm

euroman wrote:
adrian Thorne wrote:
I agree with Americorps totally. Many people have died because of this man and his beliefs and more die every day. It must be ended and this is a step towards it.


This is not a step towards the end of it. This is a step to much worser to come. Osama Bin Laden is very popular by millions of people and his murder will be retaliated. If you use violence, you will get more violence.
And the guy who will be replacing him will be much more dangerous.
Al Qaida is not a bunch of amateurs. They are highly trained, specialised professionals and very organised.


euroman.
I know that Belgians have had problems recently electing a government. In fact according to Wikipedia "Belgium matched the record for time taken to form a new democratic government after an election, at 249 days, held until then by Iraq." But imagine that, after 249 days, your fellow countrymen and women had chosen you to lead their country, payed all your fines due here in Peru, and repatriated you with your motherland.
How, as an influential western leader, would you have gone about solving this situation?
I am intrigued at the thought of your reply.
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Postby Kelly » Tue May 03, 2011 7:12 am

euroman wrote:
adrian Thorne wrote:
I agree with Americorps totally. Many people have died because of this man and his beliefs and more die every day. It must be ended and this is a step towards it.


This is not a step towards the end of it. This is a step to much worser to come. Osama Bin Laden is very popular by millions of people and his murder will be retaliated. If you use violence, you will get more violence.
And the guy who will be replacing him will be much more dangerous.
Al Qaida is not a bunch of amateurs. They are highly trained, specialised professionals and very organised.


While I may have agreed with you 5 years ago, I completely disagree now. Al Qaida has fallen out of favor except among fanatics and don't have the numbers they used to have. Dictators like Qaddafi, Mubarek et al have often said that they were the only thing standing between their country and Al Qaida, but we see now that the people in those countries have had enough. As shown by the uprisings in Egypt, Libya, Syria, etc, many people, especially the new generation, are tired of being ruled by fanatics and strongmen.

I'm sure there will be retaliation, or at least attempts at retaliation. But while bin Laden was perhaps not the head of day to day operations and planning anymore, he was certainly the spiritual head, a charismatic leader who rallied people around him. There is no sign whatsoever that there's anyone ready to fill that spot.
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Postby markr » Tue May 03, 2011 9:31 am

[quote="Kelly"]

While I may have agreed with you 5 years ago, I completely disagree now. Al Qaida has fallen out of favor except among fanatics and don't have the numbers they used to have. Dictators like Qaddafi, Mubarek et al have often said that they were the only thing standing between their country and Al Qaida, but we see now that the people in those countries have had enough. As shown by the uprisings in Egypt, Libya, Syria, etc, many people, especially the new generation, are tired of being ruled by fanatics and strongmen.

Kelly. According to this newspaper report, It would appear that you might be wrong.
This is a quote from the full article that you can read from the link below.
"The stark truth is this: a decade after 9/11, the jihadist movement is more powerful than at any time in the past."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ation.html
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Postby Comet » Tue May 03, 2011 11:01 am

R.I.P Osama Bin Laden.....World "hide - and - seek" champion 2001 - 2011.
I hear that Elton John is recording a tribute to him called " Sandals in the bin"
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Postby Remigius » Tue May 03, 2011 11:24 am

Osama was so wanted by the US that he basically could do little but to sit in his house. The real threat comes from his commanders who are said to be even more fanatical than Osama. I would have been more at ease should that command centre had been wiped out instead of a some symbolic figure.
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Postby euroman » Tue May 03, 2011 11:28 am

markr wrote:euroman.
I know that Belgians have had problems recently electing a government. In fact according to Wikipedia "Belgium matched the record for time taken to form a new democratic government after an election, at 249 days, held until then by Iraq." But imagine that, after 249 days, your fellow countrymen and women had chosen you to lead their country, payed all your fines due here in Peru, and repatriated you with your motherland.
How, as an influential western leader, would you have gone about solving this situation?
I am intrigued at the thought of your reply.


Markr, we haven't HAD problems recently electing a government. We STILL don´t have a government. We had elections in on June 13, 2010. Yesterday, I read in the news that the party that should be forming a new government had given up.
The reason for that is the usual disagreements between the Flemish and the Walloon part. I believe Belgium should be split in two. Personnaly, I don´t care what happens in Belgium. I am in Tarapoto.

Markr, you seem to be very interested in Belgium. Is you wife from Belgium or something?
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Postby Remigius » Tue May 03, 2011 11:56 am

Euroman, we've always said you guys made a big mistake in 1830 ;)
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Postby euroman » Tue May 03, 2011 12:03 pm

Remigius wrote:Euroman, we've always said you guys made a big mistake in 1830 ;)


What happened in 1830? I wasn´t there at that time. Maybe you have, so you can tell me more.
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Postby Remigius » Tue May 03, 2011 12:13 pm

euroman wrote:
Remigius wrote:Euroman, we've always said you guys made a big mistake in 1830 ;)


What happened in 1830? I wasn´t there at that time. Maybe you have, so you can tell me more.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Revolution
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Postby Kelly » Tue May 03, 2011 12:16 pm

markr wrote:
Kelly wrote:
While I may have agreed with you 5 years ago, I completely disagree now. Al Qaida has fallen out of favor except among fanatics and don't have the numbers they used to have. Dictators like Qaddafi, Mubarek et al have often said that they were the only thing standing between their country and Al Qaida, but we see now that the people in those countries have had enough. As shown by the uprisings in Egypt, Libya, Syria, etc, many people, especially the new generation, are tired of being ruled by fanatics and strongmen.


Kelly. According to this newspaper report, It would appear that you might be wrong.
This is a quote from the full article that you can read from the link below.
"The stark truth is this: a decade after 9/11, the jihadist movement is more powerful than at any time in the past."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ation.html


Or from this one, I might be right. ;)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... f-al-qaida
There are younger leadership figures, some who have been promoted as al-Qaida has tried to fight its creeping marginalisation in recent years. But people such as Abu Yayha al'Libi, who is in his mid-40s, can never replace "the sheikh". The central leadership of al-Qaida has been splintered in recent years, often pitting Saudi, Egyptian and Libyan militants against each other. It is now likely to definitively fracture.
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Postby Remigius » Tue May 03, 2011 12:19 pm

The Telegraph vs The Guardian? Hmmm, close call ;)
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Postby euroman » Tue May 03, 2011 1:02 pm

Kelly wrote:
markr wrote:
Kelly wrote:
While I may have agreed with you 5 years ago, I completely disagree now. Al Qaida has fallen out of favor except among fanatics and don't have the numbers they used to have. Dictators like Qaddafi, Mubarek et al have often said that they were the only thing standing between their country and Al Qaida, but we see now that the people in those countries have had enough. As shown by the uprisings in Egypt, Libya, Syria, etc, many people, especially the new generation, are tired of being ruled by fanatics and strongmen.


Al Qaida is more popular than ever. Since the war in Iraq, Afghanistan and now Lybia, the popularity of Al Qaida is growing. There's not only Al Qaida but many other similar organisations that just as dangerous as Al Qaida.

And they are getting more specialised. Al Qaida is full of highly trained specialists.
The murder of Osama Bin Laden will be retaliated and the consequences for the US will be devastating.

Terrorists never give up. Pulling out of Iraq, Afghanistan and stop hassling the muslimworld would be the only step forward towards peace. Negotiating and coming to a mutual agreement will be the only way. War and violence will only generate more war and violence.
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Postby markr » Tue May 03, 2011 1:16 pm

euroman wrote:[


Markr, you seem to be very interested in Belgium. Is you wife from Belgium or something?


Certainly not. 100% Peruvian.
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Postby markr » Tue May 03, 2011 1:23 pm

Kelly wrote:
markr wrote:
Kelly wrote:
While I may have agreed with you 5 years ago, I completely disagree now. Al Qaida has fallen out of favor except among fanatics and don't have the numbers they used to have. Dictators like Qaddafi, Mubarek et al have often said that they were the only thing standing between their country and Al Qaida, but we see now that the people in those countries have had enough. As shown by the uprisings in Egypt, Libya, Syria, etc, many people, especially the new generation, are tired of being ruled by fanatics and strongmen.



Kelly. According to this newspaper report, It would appear that you might be wrong.
This is a quote from the full article that you can read from the link below.
"The stark truth is this: a decade after 9/11, the jihadist movement is more powerful than at any time in the past."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ation.html




Or from this one, I might be right. ;)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... f-al-qaida
There are younger leadership figures, some who have been promoted as al-Qaida has tried to fight its creeping marginalisation in recent years. But people such as Abu Yayha al'Libi, who is in his mid-40s, can never replace "the sheikh". The central leadership of al-Qaida has been splintered in recent years, often pitting Saudi, Egyptian and Libyan militants against each other. It is now likely to definitively fracture.


Kelly. Having lived in the UK for 48 years, and worked for almost 30 of those years in the media, I know that one news source will always play against the other, bit like this forum :) , but in this event I should err on the side of caution.
Reading articles like this though, such a short time after the death of Bin Laden worry me, especially when my family live in the North of England.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... plant.html
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Postby JoshuS » Tue May 03, 2011 6:49 pm

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Joseph Goebbels

First of all, the whole process of discovery of the house, the "killing" of Bin Laden, shot on the face mafia style, violates all of US and British principles for law and order which the US claim to export to the world, and of course within the so called "war on terror" lie, they don't have to proof anything, there's no real proof, just the word of the US president and his officials. A "quick DNA" for verification, no dead body, all they need to do is killed a presumed terrorist, kill him, drop him in the Indian ocean while saying how wonderful it is they respected Muslim burial protocols, etc. The pictures that the US officials have put out have been rendered fake by experts, the video by the way I posted above it has conveniently been already taken down.
For the last ten years everything attributed to Bin Laden have been essentially an unsubstantiated assertion by the US government, no actual proof. His role in 9/11, never proven, Al Qaida in 9/11, never proven, asserted and repeated a million times but never proven.

And while Obama has officially announced his death, historical facts and extensive documented evidence, he may never have been alive in the way that the official propaganda has portrayed him. Osama bin Laden has been a CIA asset in reality, and a propaganda boogeyman in official fiction, another historical fact.
The official Osama bin Laden PR, along with “Islamic terrorism” and Al-Qaeda, is a CIA military-intelligence fabrication designed to provide a pretext for an eternal global war agenda, and to provide an ongoing propaganda pretext for the “war on terrorism”.
The “Militant Islamic Network”, including bin Laden himself, has been, since the Cold War a intelligence network that has been “run” on behalf of Anglo-American interests. Again, another historical fact.

The assertion that Osama whereabouts have been unknown, that he could have eluded detection for a decade , including the he’s hiding in caves along the Afghanistan/Pakistan border and other such fables was debunked years ago. According to a November 2003 Reuters report, bin Laden was received kidney dialysis in a US military hospital in Dubai two months before the 9/11 attacks, and again on September 10, 2001, according to Pakistani intelligence. These and other reports support the conclusion that Osama bin Laden was not only a CIA asset (one whose whereabouts were more than known), but one who was deathly ill. Other reports over the years suggest that the “mastermind” may have certainly died at some point, even while his image continued to be used incessantly to keep the “war on terrorism” alive.

What it can be asserted however is that "his death" and the new "fear of retaliation" (new boogeyman) "which for sure is to come" will be used to justify more further, expanding US wars, greater repression at home and more extra judicial targeted assassinations against political opponents, this is true whether is in Lybia, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Pakistan or wherever US geopolitical interests leads them. The "war on terror" has the ability to allow the US to carry US military operations that since 2001, has taken the lives of millions of civilians, in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc and now Lybia, Also, the US has been and is employing depleted uranium on their heavy duty ammunition which are responsible for the contamination, illnesses and retarded deaths of people and children, in Iraq, in Pakistan, in Afghanistan and now Lybia. I don't hear however the protests and clamor from people in this board while claiming moral imperatives on petty issues. And of course that leads to an escalation of resistance, of hatred, of revenge, so in terms of keeping the American people safe, this is a ridiculous notion.

None of the real reasons for these "wars" ( it's not actually wars but invasions and plundering of Muslim countries) are ever based on "terror", it's really a reason to justify real terror against whole nations around the world and that has been true from the very beginning. So, it's important to look back at the US reasons and justification, and manufacturing of war, which really flows from the military, oil and banking conglomerate that need war, that need to conquest new areas and the need of astronomical military budgets. US justifications for endless "wars" in the region flows from policy of endless theft, plundering of resources, of support of military dictatorships that don't give the people anything at all, and it's certainly true when you look at the policy in Pakistan, where millions of dollars are given to their military but has provided nothing to the people, and that's also true in Afghanistan where conditions of life have actually deteriorated. But of course there's every connection that Bin Laden's death will give Obama a good boost for elections because US presidents run on endless wars and corporations support, responsible for these policies, like the Military Industrial Complex.

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over” Joseph Goebbels
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead.

Postby americorps » Tue May 03, 2011 7:59 pm

Josh,

Do you have any proof, or are you just posting innuendo and gossip?

If you have any proof, your opinion could be credible as I know our country has been guilty of some horrendous lies in the past, but without proof, you sound like a professional conspiracy theorist without any legitimate evidence to support your theories.
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead.

Postby alan » Tue May 03, 2011 8:26 pm

JoshuS wrote:“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The pictures that the US officials have put out have been rendered fake by experts, the video by the way I posted above it has conveniently been already taken down.


Actually, the video is still there, Josh. No black hand censoring content on YouTube, but now that you know its still there, why not watch it again and tell me how reputable you really think it is, being as objective as you can: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etBdvumF ... r_embedded

The video gets one thing right though, the picture is a huge fake-aroo, but according to this news story, the pictures were broadcast by Pakistani TV and picked up by other outlets, and never released by US officials:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2 ... _of_r.html

But hey.. let´s not let some facts get in the way of a good story...
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead.

Postby JoshuS » Tue May 03, 2011 8:40 pm

Alan wrote:
JoshuS wrote:
Actually, the video is still there, Josh. No black hand censoring content on YouTube, but now that you know its still there, why not watch it again and tell me how reputable you really think it is, being as objective as you can: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etBdvumF ... r_embedded

The video gets one thing right though, the picture is a huge fake-aroo, but according to this news story, the pictures were broadcast by Pakistani TV and picked up by other outlets, and never released by US officials:



Exactly, you just corroborated why I posted the picture in the first place. Here's a video for you, perhaps you could learn something from it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsv7fxorPhI
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead.

Postby euroman » Tue May 03, 2011 10:23 pm

Osama Bin Laden isn't dead. I saw him today eating and laughing a lot at a Cevicheria in Tarapoto and later during the day, I saw him sitting at the pool bar at Natura Viva drinking uvachadas surrounded by a few hot chicas.
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead.

Postby americorps » Tue May 03, 2011 10:26 pm

euroman wrote:Osama Bin Laden isn't dead. I saw him today eating and laughing a lot at a Cevicheria in Tarapoto.


But was immediately killed by an angry crowd of onlookers because he flaunted his wealth by drinking bottled water
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead.

Postby euroman » Tue May 03, 2011 10:35 pm

americorps wrote:
euroman wrote:Osama Bin Laden isn't dead. I saw him today eating and laughing a lot at a Cevicheria in Tarapoto.


But was immediately killed by an angry crowd of onlookers because he flaunted his wealth by drinking bottled water


No he was drinking Inca Kola and eating a arroz con mariscos.
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead.

Postby markr » Tue May 03, 2011 10:50 pm

euroman wrote:
americorps wrote:
euroman wrote:Osama Bin Laden isn't dead. I saw him today eating and laughing a lot at a Cevicheria in Tarapoto.


But was immediately killed by an angry crowd of onlookers because he flaunted his wealth by drinking bottled water


No he was drinking Inca Kola and eating a arroz con mariscos.


If he was eating arroz con mariscos from a cheap menu, the food poisoning will be sure to finish him off.
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead.

Postby americorps » Tue May 03, 2011 10:57 pm

markr, I hear that happens a lot in Tarapoto
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead.

Postby euroman » Tue May 03, 2011 11:01 pm

euroman wrote:Osama Bin Laden isn't dead. I saw him today eating and laughing a lot at a Cevicheria in Tarapoto and later during the day, I saw him sitting at the pool bar at Natura Viva drinking uvachadas surrounded by a few hot chicas.


Tonight he will be singing 'We are the champions' at the Karaoke.
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead.

Postby markr » Tue May 03, 2011 11:13 pm

americorps wrote:markr, I hear that happens a lot in Tarapoto


It's due to the fact that most people who prefer to eat S/. 0.75 menu's wont splash out S/. 15 for the Bismutol to accompany the meal, and prefer to go for the cheaper option. Inca Kola.
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