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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby rama0929 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:56 pm

falconagain wrote:

The US had death penalty in the past, the country had more freedom and it was not a taliban society
but an example for other countries.


Had?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_pu ... ted_States

Still there

Your resistance was futile. The US is already the closest thing to a current police state, you have the
Patriot Act, Cameras in all major cities, an abusive TSA that is asking for extra authority. The only
thing that is missing is that Obama is declared man of the year by Time. Then we would be the closest
to Germany in the 1930s and 1940s.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_state

Police state, hardly. Not even close. Nanny nation, certainly.

"Police state" is a term that is thrown around far too liberally.


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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby rama0929 » Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:05 am

chi chi wrote:A gun is never going to protect you. Most likely the criminal has more experience with guns than you and is more eager to use it. He for sure used it before so he got nothing to lose anyway.
And what are you going to do if you face 2 or more armed criminals. You might be able to shoot one but the other criminal will shoot you.

And criminals come prepared. They wear bullet proof jackets...etc.

Just arming those people isn't enough. The lunch ladies, busdrivers, teachers and ice cream truck drivers will also have to wear bullet proof jacket or even better SWAT gear and be trained in SWAT tactics.

Those mass shooters train for months and wear special equipment and have heavy arms.


A gun will protect you and it's just as likely that a registered gun owner has just as much experience with a gun than a criminal. And their experience is "formal" in that they're practicing, target shooting and the like. Not "spray and pray" like some criminals. A subset of criminals are "trigger happy," a good number just want to do the job with no muss nor fuss. Bodies tend to complicate things.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby chi chi » Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:42 am

rama0929 wrote:A gun will protect you and it's just as likely that a registered gun owner has just as much experience with a gun than a criminal. And their experience is "formal" in that they're practicing, target shooting and the like. Not "spray and pray" like some criminals. A subset of criminals are "trigger happy," a good number just want to do the job with no muss nor fuss. Bodies tend to complicate things.


Those mass shooters aren't criminals, they are sick people. You can negotiate with bankrobbers, terrorists and hijackers because they want to achieve something with their actions.
Those sick people are on a mission and will carry it out. No matter what. There's no negotiating to be done.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby renodante » Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:32 pm

A gun is never going to protect you.


http://youtu.be/X3LRJKWTIMU
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby Contra-quistador » Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:04 pm

... it's all just a bad reality TV show...
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby falconagain » Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:09 pm

We just need to wait and see, 2 or 3 years, right now the American population is
buying plenty of weapons for personal use. Then we will see if it is good or bad.
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Re: the second amendment in action

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chi chi wrote:
Those mass shooters aren't criminals, they are sick people. You can negotiate with bankrobbers, terrorists and hijackers because they want to achieve something with their actions.
Those sick people are on a mission and will carry it out. No matter what. There's no negotiating to be done.


They're sick people who are criminals.

Agreed there's no negotiating to be done. At least they serve as their own judge, jury and executioner by taking themselves out. Kinda wish they would just cut to the chase and eat their gun before they go on their little killing sprees.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby chi chi » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:53 pm

rama0929 wrote:They're sick people who are criminals.

Agreed there's no negotiating to be done. At least they serve as their own judge, jury and executioner by taking themselves out. Kinda wish they would just cut to the chase and eat their gun before they go on their little killing sprees.


It´s worrying that most of those people are young people in their twenties and even teens that commit such horrible acts. Aren´t kids raised properly or what is influencing them.
I think that youths those days are living in a virtual world. They are glued at the internet most of the day and all their knowledge is coming from the internet.
It´s also worrying that almost on a weekly basis, young people commit suicide because they are bullied on facebook??? Aren´t teens no longer living in the real world but in a virtual world.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby rama0929 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:41 pm

chi chi wrote:It´s worrying that most of those people are young people in their twenties and even teens that commit such horrible acts. Aren´t kids raised properly or what is influencing them.
I think that youths those days are living in a virtual world. They are glued at the internet most of the day and all their knowledge is coming from the internet.
It´s also worrying that almost on a weekly basis, young people commit suicide because they are bullied on facebook??? Aren´t teens no longer living in the real world but in a virtual world.


Don't know. There are guns and violent video games elsewhere in the world, where guns are available, and people don't pull the nonsense that they do in the states. Don't know if it's parenting, there are people that fill all types of demographics that also don't pull this kind of nonsense.

It's tough to believe that people get bullied over the internet, or that people let it get to them. They choose to either be engaged or not. Big world out there whether you're online or offline. If they can't handle it, sucks to be them, because the real world is going to be much tougher on them.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby chi chi » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:02 pm

rama0929 wrote:Don't know. There are guns and violent video games elsewhere in the world, where guns are available, and people don't pull the nonsense that they do in the states.


That guy that killed more than 70 children on an island in Norway and the other teen that killed a few babies in a daycare center were both obsessed with playing violent computer games.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby americorps » Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:24 pm

chi chi wrote:
rama0929 wrote:Don't know. There are guns and violent video games elsewhere in the world, where guns are available, and people don't pull the nonsense that they do in the states.


That guy that killed more than 70 children on an island in Norway and the other teen that killed a few babies in a daycare center were both obsessed with playing violent computer games.



Anectdotal evidence does not substitute for verifiable facts, but you never use those anyway.

There are countries where violent video games are played at rates 2 or 3 times what they play in the USA that do not have the same level of violence making your theory unsupportable.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby chi chi » Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:53 pm

americorps wrote:
chi chi wrote:
rama0929 wrote:Don't know. There are guns and violent video games elsewhere in the world, where guns are available, and people don't pull the nonsense that they do in the states.


That guy that killed more than 70 children on an island in Norway and the other teen that killed a few babies in a daycare center were both obsessed with playing violent computer games.



Anectdotal evidence does not substitute for verifiable facts, but you never use those anyway.

There are countries where violent video games are played at rates 2 or 3 times what they play in the USA that do not have the same level of violence making your theory unsupportable.


Amerifox, the information came from the police investigation.

And in those countries where violent video games are places 2 or 3 times more than in the US, guns aren´t probably easy to buy.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby renodante » Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:30 pm

lulsy interaction between Alex Jones and Piers Morgan on gun control

http://youtu.be/AtyKofFih8Y
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby americorps » Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:01 pm

chi chi wrote:
americorps wrote:
chi chi wrote:
rama0929 wrote:Don't know. There are guns and violent video games elsewhere in the world, where guns are available, and people don't pull the nonsense that they do in the states.


That guy that killed more than 70 children on an island in Norway and the other teen that killed a few babies in a daycare center were both obsessed with playing violent computer games.



Anectdotal evidence does not substitute for verifiable facts, but you never use those anyway.

There are countries where violent video games are played at rates 2 or 3 times what they play in the USA that do not have the same level of violence making your theory unsupportable.


Amerifox, the information came from the police investigation.


And in those countries where violent video games are places 2 or 3 times more than in the US, guns aren´t probably easy to buy.


Please check the definition of anecdotal evidence vs. comprehensive evidence then try again when you understand the comments. It would serve you better.

you just make things up as you go alone,apply your feelings without regard to comprehensive facts and make platitudes that are verifiably false quite often, so I guess I should expect nothing better this time.

There is plenty of research on video games and violence and while many knee jerk reactionaires always blame them, there is no evidence supporting their connection to violence and most evidence suggest they are more of a sympton than the cause of the atmosphere.

however, I realize you avoid facts at all costs when you make up your mind, but it makes your opinions without credibilitiy.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby americorps » Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:25 pm

chi chi wrote:
Amerifox,.


And your repeated refusal to address my by my proper nickname after being asked to repeatedly shows you to be immature, absurd and a troll.

It is time you grow up and stop acting like an immature child.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby chi chi » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:18 am

americorps wrote:
chi chi wrote:
Amerifox,.


And your repeated refusal to address my by my proper nickname after being asked to repeatedly shows you to be immature, absurd and a troll.

It is time you grow up and stop acting like an immature child.


Americorps, this topic is about gun crimes and ownership. So, stop trolling.

If you want to troll then start up a separate topic.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby americorps » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:26 pm

chi chi wrote:
americorps wrote:
chi chi wrote:
Amerifox,.


And your repeated refusal to address my by my proper nickname after being asked to repeatedly shows you to be immature, absurd and a troll.

It is time you grow up and stop acting like an immature child.


Americorps, this topic is about gun crimes and ownership. So, stop trolling.

If you want to troll then start up a separate topic.



You are a liar and a hipocrit. I can point to a dozen threads where you changed the topic and further, if you were concerned about the docorum of the board, you would refer to me by my monicer.

Please, I beg you, quit being a liar, a hipocrit and a troll, it is beneath you-
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby tomsax » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:57 am

renodante wrote:lulsy interaction between Alex Jones and Piers Morgan on gun control

http://youtu.be/AtyKofFih8Y


That is unbelievable... and strangly mesmerising! I don't know what is worse: Alex Jones just being his usual self or Piers Morgan trying to show himself Mr intregity by going to the States and interviewing him.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby renodante » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:38 pm

yeah i despise them both but Jones miraculously found a way to make Morgan look like the level headed rationalist, which goes to show just how low Jones is.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby tomsax » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:52 pm

I agree totally! That must be why he got him in. They are both trying to use each other . Unfortunately many people are dumb enough to give either of them credit for having principled views. It is compellng viewing though, so fair dues for both of them as entertainers.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby rubble » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:23 pm

Piers Mogan is now based in the States, hence Jones' petition to get him deported for attacking the Constitution. In the UK, I believe there's a petition to not let him back into the UK! (Do I need to add that the latter is being done 'tounge in cheek', whereas Jones' is in earnest?)
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby rubble » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:26 pm

Tom
Piers Mogan is now based in the States, hence Jones' petition to get him deported for attacking the Constitution. In the UK, I believe there's a petition to not let him back into the UK! (Do I need to add that the latter is being done 'tounge in cheek', whereas Jones' is in earnest?) He is certainly getting some mileage out of it.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby tomsax » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:02 pm

I think we need a petition to stop him making visits home. For someone living over there he pops up far too often over here. It's excruciating.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby falconagain » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:01 pm

Nowadays with the crisis, many farms in the US are subject to stealing.
Why not authorize the farmers to use assault weapons to be more effective
against a big amount of people that tries to steal the property.

Just imagine the Headlines everyday, a farmer killed 8 families; they were criminals.
Our economy is safe.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby americorps » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:27 pm

DID YOU KNOW? Where there are more guns, there are more gun deaths.

An estimated 41% of gun-related homicides and 94% of gun-related suicides would not occur under the same circumstances had no guns been present

Higher household gun ownership correlates with higher rates of homicides, suicides, and unintentional shootings

Keeping a firearm in the home increases the risk of suicide by a factor of 3 to 5 and increases the risk of suicide with a firearm by a factor of 17

Keeping a firearm in the home increases the risk of homicide by a factor of 3

A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in a completed or attempted suicide (11x), criminal assault or homicide (7x), or unintentional shooting death or injury (4x) than to be used in a self-defense shooting.

Guns are used to intimidate and threaten 4 to 6 times more often than they are used to thwart crime

Every year there are only about 200 legally justified self-defense homicides by private citizens compared with over 30,000 gun deaths

A 2009 study found that people in possession of a gun are 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault

There are five times as many deaths from gun assaults as from knife assaults, where the rates of assault with knives and with guns are similar

More than 90 percent of suicide attempts with a gun are fatal. In comparison, only 3 percent of attempts with drugs or cutting are fatal

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/gunviolence?s=1

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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby renodante » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:45 pm

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/gunviolence?s=1


This would be like citing Hamas' official website for statistics about the IDF.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby americorps » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:03 pm

renodante wrote:
http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/gunviolence?s=1


This would be like citing Hamas' official website for statistics about the IDF.


Not really, you are free to disreguard any facts you choose to, however these are just a gathering of verifiable stats from many different sources compiled on one site.

Each individual fact is sourced with a clear scientific reference.

It is like the guy who dismisses the quotes because they came from the huffington post. It is just an excuse to not hear what one does not want to hear, they are still VERIFIABLE quotes.

These are still VERIFIABLE facts.

Like the source or not, does not change that one bit.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby renodante » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:08 pm

Not really, you are free to disreguard any facts you choose to, however these are just a gathering of verifiable stats from many different sources compiled on one site.


So you fact checked all their "facts" I presume, to be able to 100% stand by whatever they present as you are? Or you just saw a little citation number and that was good enough?


These are still VERIFIABLE facts.

Like the source or not, does not change that one bit.


* "In homes with guns, the homicide of a household member is almost 3 times more likely to occur than in homes without guns."[12] [13]

* Reasons for elimination: This statistic is based on a three-county study comparing households in which a homicide occurred to demographically similar households in which a homicide did not occur. After controlling for several variables, the study found that gun ownership was associated with a 2.7 times increase in the odds of homicide.[14] This study does not meet Just Facts' Standards of Credibility because:

1) The study blurs cause and effect. As explained in a comprehensive analysis of firearm research conducted by the National Research Council, gun control studies such as this (known as "case-control" studies) "fail to address the primary inferential problems that arise because ownership is not a random decision. ... Homicide victims may possess firearms precisely because they are likely to be victimized."[15]

2) The study's results are highly sensitive to uncertainties in the underlying data. For example, minor variations in firearm ownership rates (which are determined by interview and are thus dependent upon interviewees' honesty) can negate the results.[16] [17]

3) The results are arrived at by subjecting the raw data to statistical analyses instead of letting the data speak for itself. (For reference, the raw data of this study shows that households in which a homicide occurred had a firearm ownership rate of 45% as compared to 36% for non-homicide households. Also, households in which a homicide occurred were twice as likely have a household member who was previously arrested (53% vs. 23%), five times more likely to have a household member who used illicit drugs (31% vs. 6%), and five times more likely to have a household member who was previously hit or hurt during a fight in the home (32% vs. 6%).[18])

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.fourexamples.asp#times


For the record I'm not saying every statistic/fact that organization puts out is incorrect.
What I am saying is that if you get your information from an organization that is "anti" something, you can pretty much guarantee they're going to leave out pieces of information, statistics, etc that are inconvenient for their cause.
They will also usually not be very thorough in verifying whether or not particularly juicy and emotionally charged "facts" are, well, completely factual. Because they are on a mission.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby americorps » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:44 pm

you wasted your time by starting with a common but off base presumption that I rely on simple sources for my information, making your entire long winded post not relevent to the situation.

The evidence from sources all around the world about gun access and danger is very clear.

You might fight to your last breath to try and find some legitimate cracks in small parts of the data, but it is laughable that the little cracks here or there actually change the totality of the information available.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby renodante » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:52 pm

you wasted your time by starting with a common but off base presumption that I rely on simple sources for my information, making your entire long winded post not relevent to the situation.


No, I picked out a "fact" that seemed a little too charged, checked it, and found out it's distorted.

That was one that I picked, no doubt I can pick more.

You might fight to your last breath to try and find some legitimate cracks in small parts of the data, but it is laughable that the little cracks here or there actually change the totality of the information available.


For the record I'm not saying every statistic/fact that organization puts out is incorrect.


But throw a hissy fit instead of admitting you just bought whatever you read on that site. Be my guest.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby chi chi » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:17 pm

americorps wrote:DID YOU KNOW? Where there are more guns, there are more gun deaths.

An estimated 41% of gun-related homicides and 94% of gun-related suicides would not occur under the same circumstances had no guns been present

Higher household gun ownership correlates with higher rates of homicides, suicides, and unintentional shootings

Keeping a firearm in the home increases the risk of suicide by a factor of 3 to 5 and increases the risk of suicide with a firearm by a factor of 17

Keeping a firearm in the home increases the risk of homicide by a factor of 3

A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in a completed or attempted suicide (11x), criminal assault or homicide (7x), or unintentional shooting death or injury (4x) than to be used in a self-defense shooting.

Guns are used to intimidate and threaten 4 to 6 times more often than they are used to thwart crime

Every year there are only about 200 legally justified self-defense homicides by private citizens compared with over 30,000 gun deaths

A 2009 study found that people in possession of a gun are 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault

There are five times as many deaths from gun assaults as from knife assaults, where the rates of assault with knives and with guns are similar

More than 90 percent of suicide attempts with a gun are fatal. In comparison, only 3 percent of attempts with drugs or cutting are fatal



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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby minos » Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:03 pm

In Peru this regulated the use of firearms, they have not banned, but surely you can get an assault rifle, and if you shoot someone you will go to court for any reason whatsoever, except in strictly military matters, as the army have their military justice

I think this theme of violence in the USA is related to the excessive power of its police force, you have to swallow all his anger, because you can not argue with the police, this it can strike, trample, massacre, etc.

This generates a subterranean anger is like a pressure cooker, therefore, if it is to regulate the use of firearms, the legal status of the police also should change, and more equal parties. So I think that he is avoided types with their rifles to go out and "kill system"
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minos wrote:In Peru this regulated the use of firearms, they have not banned, but surely you can get an assault rifle, and if you shoot someone you will go to court for any reason whatsoever, except in strictly military matters, as the army have their military justice

I think this theme of violence in the USA is related to the excessive power of its police force, you have to swallow all his anger, because you can not argue with the police, this it can strike, trample, massacre, etc.

This generates a subterranean anger is like a pressure cooker, therefore, if it is to regulate the use of firearms, the legal status of the police also should change, and more equal parties. So I think that he is avoided types with their rifles to go out and "kill system"


The police force doesn't have excessive power. People taking swings and shots at police officers happen more than you think.

And if it really were that bad, you'd see riots like there were in LA back in 1992.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby chi chi » Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:33 pm

rama0929 wrote:The police force doesn't have excessive power. People taking swings and shots at police officers happen more than you think.

And if it really were that bad, you'd see riots like there were in LA back in 1992.


Those riotes were provoked by the police. A decent person was attacked by the police solely because of the colour of his skin. The police wanted to kill because of his skincolour.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby sidro » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:54 am

I will never understand the Liberals´ views of when a shooting occurs by either a brutal criminal or a derranged individual. To me, it is the failure of the criminal justice system or failure of all of the ¨high-dollar¨ mental experts the U. S. has that do not do their jobs. The very comment that has been used repeatedly in both the Aurora, Colo. shooting and the Sandy School massacre was a ¨derranged shooter¨. It obviously wasn´t a derranged gun, was it? Gang members are running rampid all about the cities of the U. S. and the criminal justice system knows who they are and know they have guns. Shootings occur everyday in their culture. Hollywood produces extremely violent action movies constantly and millions of dollars are made by the very Hollywood pukes that are demanding gun control. When criminals are arrested and charged for shooting and killing, a Liberal judge delivers some slap on the wrist to them. Good, law abiding citizens need to be left alone by the Liberals trying to remove their 2nd amendment right to bear arms against these outlaws and derranged individuals. Remember, when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns!
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby sidro » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:36 am

chi chi wrote:
rama0929 wrote:The police force doesn't have excessive power. People taking swings and shots at police officers happen more than you think.

And if it really were that bad, you'd see riots like there were in LA back in 1992.


Those riotes were provoked by the police. A decent person was attacked by the police solely because of the colour of his skin. The police wanted to kill because of his skincolour.

Chi Chi, It sounds as though you know very little about the United States of America, and how it has gotten the way it is. I am nearly 64 years old and have seen enough in the U. S. to understand how it has evolved into the mess it is today. Why there is prejudice, why Liberal idealogy has deteriorated the U. S. and how, and by whom, and who has helped them. Why Socialism is rearing it´s head so strongly, and why the U. S. is in debt to the tune of nearly $17 trillion and on the verge of bankruptcy. You just don´t know!
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby Arroz con Pollo » Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:37 pm

Chi Chi, It sounds as though you know very little about the United States of America,...

Welcome to the forums. It's just a gimmick account that just posts troll bait. It helps to just read those comments for a good laugh like most of us have been doing for years.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby sidro » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:21 am

Arroz con Pollo wrote:
Chi Chi, It sounds as though you know very little about the United States of America,...

Welcome to the forums. It's just a gimmick account that just posts troll bait. It helps to just read those comments for a good laugh like most of us have been doing for years.


Yeah, I know, but sometimes I just can´t stop myself. I should count to 100 and weed my garden or something when I see comments like Creepy Chi Chi´s.
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Re: the second amendment in action

Postby sidro » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:28 am

SilverbackPeru wrote:It's easy for europeans to over react when it comes to America and its gun laws policy and altho i don't agree with having access to guns that easily i do see all the problems trying to ban them would cause.

For starters lets safe the government bans guns and forces everyone to hand their guns in, the only people that will hand in the guns are the everyday person with a gun licence. Most of the people who you don't want to have guns won't have legal and registered firearms, so leaving a situation where the average home owner can't protect himself.

America is still a lot wilder country than Europe, and in the wild there's a tendency for there to be animals that could harm you so your gonna need a gun! People in more remote areas will need firearms for work, farming etc, which means that even if there was a ban some guns would make their way illegally into communities where there is no need for them. Meaning you'll be spending alot of money trying to enforce an unworkable law. For the law to totally work you would need to ban guns everywhere which would be excessive on those who need them.




No matter how many rules you apply a headcase intend on a killing spree is always gonna get his hands on guns no matter where he is. The loonatic can use apply for a licence if he's really determined, he's not exactly gonna say when applying that he's gonna go on a killing spree!

One thing i do think shouldn't be allowed is the sales of things like assualt rifles, there's no justication for someone off the street to have a m16 rifle. What purpose can someone have for owning guns like that and having them available. Someone mentioned making guns bullets expensive, i think thats a good idea, i don't know the average price for a gun but making them extremely expensive wouldn't be a bad thing!

Lets not forget that the states is about the same size as say western europe, so if you were to calculate the shooting sprees in the states t western europe they there would be all that much difference in how often it happens either.



Silverback, I commend you for the best, level headed post regarding this fiery subject. Very well put and articulated. Thank You.

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