God save you if you get in the place where you live surrounded by mestizo people only, you will feel on your own skin what is it being discriminated just because you are white.
sbaustin wrote:God save you if you get in the place where you live surrounded by mestizo people only, you will feel on your own skin what is it being discriminated just because you are white.
On the other hand, perhaps living with people that look like and share a common culture with your fiancé would be a great and wonderful experience.
richorozco wrote:Hahahhahahah.... I wonder what people in Beijing, South India, and Korea look like? Do you think there is a 50/50% mix of blonde hair and blue eyes????
C'mon, Peru is a 3rd world country in Latin America!!!! It's not a Scandinavian country or Eastern European country.
And No...the majority of people are not walking around with Tommy Bahama shirts,
Docker shorts, Custom Nike shoes, Rado watches, David Yurman jewelery, Coach purses, I Love NY perfume.
If you want to see all the glitz and glamour, come to Manhattan, Miami, LA, and Chicago. We have good Steak too....full of steroids, red dye that looks like blood, etc...
BTW, you can always pick out an American in any country. We dress how we like, speak our minds, usually only know one language, tend to be obnoxious, like to use our credit cards, like materialistic things, etc...
I like Peru because of the nature, the food, the true organic stuff, etc.... If I want to look at 6 ft polish girls, Italian girls, Irish folks with orange/red hair, etc.... Hell.....I'd stay in Chicago......
BTW, I'm not an artist but I'm an engineer so I kinda-sorta use logic and analytical thinking when I travel overseas.
Lloyd007 wrote:Something that always shocked me (this is just one of many) is when I state a fact which is 100% true and a Peruvian will simply say, ''no. no you didn't do that''.
richorozco wrote:
I like Peru because of the nature, the food, the true organic stuff, etc.... If I want to look at 6 ft polish girls, Italian girls, Irish folks with orange/red hair, etc.... Hell.....I'd stay in Chicago......
falconagain wrote: Actually the majority of the food that people eat in Peru does not qualify as
organic.
jude wrote:It wouldn't qualify as organic under any standard. Have you spent much time in agricultural areas of Peru? There's lots of spraying and use of pesticides. Even small-scale poor farmers in the Andes used them. Fruits and vegetables in Peru do taste good, perhaps because they're more likely to be picked fresh than the typical supermarket fare in the US, but they are far from being organically grown.
jude wrote:It wouldn't qualify as organic under any standard. Have you spent much time in agricultural areas of Peru? There's lots of spraying and use of pesticides. Even small-scale poor farmers in the Andes used them. Fruits and vegetables in Peru do taste good, perhaps because they're more likely to be picked fresh than the typical supermarket fare in the US, but they are far from being organically grown.
sbaustin wrote:jude wrote:It wouldn't qualify as organic under any standard. Have you spent much time in agricultural areas of Peru? There's lots of spraying and use of pesticides. Even small-scale poor farmers in the Andes used them. Fruits and vegetables in Peru do taste good, perhaps because they're more likely to be picked fresh than the typical supermarket fare in the US, but they are far from being organically grown.
I was asking how the poster was using the term. Organic is a certification that differs in each country and you seem to be using the word to mean pesticides aren't used when the USA organic program does allow some pesticides. If you are going to be using an ambiguous term, it might help to actually define what you mean hence the original question.
miaperu wrote:If you are light skinned you are still seen as a Demi god, unfortunately, as the majority of peruvians have little pride in their heritage.This ,however,if you are white,may work to your advantage when it comes to work and certain relationships.
SmartKitty wrote: Also there are Peruvian heritage fairy tales made for tourists. There is a lot of true and false mixed in Peruvian history and usually foreign people know more about it, than the natives just because in other languages there is more science, research and publications.
BellbottomBlues wrote:The Peruvians I have met here have enormous pride in their country...to the point of nationalism, I would say. As far as heritage, isn't that the same thing?
BellbottomBlues wrote:Are any of you concerned for your health with respect to any toxins in the local environment, water or food supply?
BBB
falconagain wrote:SmartKitty wrote: Also there are Peruvian heritage fairy tales made for tourists. There is a lot of true and false mixed in Peruvian history and usually foreign people know more about it, than the natives just because in other languages there is more science, research and publications.
Things like female dancers in the provinces using leather boots and miniskirts. Both of them
were invented in Europe and are not native of Peru. The national Peruvian museum (Museo
de la Nacion) did a parallel development history between Europe and Peru to show who developed what.
Or los danzantes de tijeras. There is no graphic record of them before the year 2000. I was
in the Peruvian education system for over 15 years but they were never mentioned then.
They have a page of wikipedia talking about a couple of sources but still there was no popularity
or documentation of this so called tradition before the year 2000.
Fortunately they went overboard with the concept and got rejected in an international event.
Which made them lose a lot of business. Thank god.
Or los danzantes de tijeras. There is no graphic record of them before the year 2000. I was
in the Peruvian education system for over 15 years but they were never mentioned then.
They have a page of wikipedia talking about a couple of sources but still there was no popularity
or documentation of this so called tradition before the year 2000.
Yep. It's funny. Where did they get scissors in pre-inca era?
falconagain wrote:SmartKitty wrote: Also there are Peruvian heritage fairy tales made for tourists. There is a lot of true and false mixed in Peruvian history and usually foreign people know more about it, than the natives just because in other languages there is more science, research and publications.
Things like female dancers in the provinces using leather boots and miniskirts. Both of them
were invented in Europe and are not native of Peru. The national Peruvian museum (Museo
de la Nacion) did a parallel development history between Europe and Peru to show who developed what.
Or los danzantes de tijeras. There is no graphic record of them before the year 2000. I was
in the Peruvian education system for over 15 years but they were never mentioned then.
They have a page of wikipedia talking about a couple of sources but still there was no popularity
or documentation of this so called tradition before the year 2000.
Fortunately they went overboard with the concept and got rejected in an international event.
Which made them lose a lot of business. Thank god.
argidd wrote:Unfortunately not all schools are good, and many people in Peru lack knowledgge of our own country.
It is a shame you state something like the "danza de tijeras" has no record of existing before the year 2000.
Whether you are Peruvian, or a resident of Peru, perhaps you can take a bit of time to learn about the country you live in; no one says you have to be an extreme patriot or love Peru profoundly, but just out of respect, read a little before you state these things that only put the spot light on your lack of knowledge.
With that said, and since the topic is on, I recommend a beautiful read, by Jose María Arguedas, La Agonía de Rasu Ñiti, a short story published in 1962 about the scissor dance, danza de las tijeras.
SmartKitty wrote:argidd wrote:Unfortunately not all schools are good, and many people in Peru lack knowledgge of our own country.
It is a shame you state something like the "danza de tijeras" has no record of existing before the year 2000.
Whether you are Peruvian, or a resident of Peru, perhaps you can take a bit of time to learn about the country you live in; no one says you have to be an extreme patriot or love Peru profoundly, but just out of respect, read a little before you state these things that only put the spot light on your lack of knowledge.
With that said, and since the topic is on, I recommend a beautiful read, by Jose María Arguedas, La Agonía de Rasu Ñiti, a short story published in 1962 about the scissor dance, danza de las tijeras.
Argidd, Falcon was talking about common scissors and also about scissors not found in Peru in archeological search. We're not talking here about Egypt. At the same time Peruvian Scissors dance was rejected by international folklore dancers because Peruvians insisted in using and presenting the modern scissors as their own cultural thing which is non sense. And if you believe you know the Peruvian history better than some Peruvian educated persons probably it confirms that in your language you had more information than Peruvians teach in their education system.
And what is Wikipedia saying about Cuzco girls in mini skirts and Russian style tall leather boots?
argidd wrote:SmartKitty wrote:argidd wrote:Unfortunately not all schools are good, and many people in Peru lack knowledgge of our own country.
It is a shame you state something like the "danza de tijeras" has no record of existing before the year 2000.
Whether you are Peruvian, or a resident of Peru, perhaps you can take a bit of time to learn about the country you live in; no one says you have to be an extreme patriot or love Peru profoundly, but just out of respect, read a little before you state these things that only put the spot light on your lack of knowledge.
With that said, and since the topic is on, I recommend a beautiful read, by Jose María Arguedas, La Agonía de Rasu Ñiti, a short story published in 1962 about the scissor dance, danza de las tijeras.
Argidd, Falcon was talking about common scissors and also about scissors not found in Peru in archeological search. We're not talking here about Egypt. At the same time Peruvian Scissors dance was rejected by international folklore dancers because Peruvians insisted in using and presenting the modern scissors as their own cultural thing which is non sense. And if you believe you know the Peruvian history better than some Peruvian educated persons probably it confirms that in your language you had more information than Peruvians teach in their education system.
And what is Wikipedia saying about Cuzco girls in mini skirts and Russian style tall leather boots?
I think you did not understand my point, I was referring to what the poster said about there being no record of the dance until the year 2000, if he mentioned that this was in regards to the type of scissors, perhaps I missed to read it.
As per my language, it is Spanish, I am Peruvian and know history.
I don't understand why you mention Egypt, again, maybe I missed something.
If you wonder why something like mini skirts, scissors, and bowler hats are used in remote locations where in Quechua times there were no such things, it is because many of these dances were the product of the mix with Spanish and other cultures. Bowler hats became popular because the English men who came to Peru to work in the railroads introduced them to the population. Culture is not something only based on what happened before the Spanish came, it is something dynamic that evolves everyday.
In the end, my point, may it be scissors, the height of people and the colors the wear, how our immigration system works, etc., we have to take a little time to read a little, find out a little, and not just shoot out the first thing that comes to mind.
tomsax wrote:I remember seeing scissors dances in Peru in 1987 so the idea that they didn't exist before 2000 is simply false. The dances still happen as part of traditional ferias in parts of Peru that have almost no tourism. They are largely dances by Peruvians, for Peruvians, although of course they also appear in penas, tourist shows and exhibitions of Peruvian dances abroad. But when they do it is always in a very sanitised form.
It is authentically Peruvian and a folk tradition also with more modern influences.
falconagain wrote:richorozco wrote:
I like Peru because of the nature, the food, the true organic stuff, etc.... If I want to look at 6 ft polish girls, Italian girls, Irish folks with orange/red hair, etc.... Hell.....I'd stay in Chicago......
Peru = Organic food. Actually the majority of the food that people eat in Peru does not qualify as
organic. Organic foods have a series of associated overhead costs that makes it too expensive
to the regular person. We are talking about here about $20 dollars for a dozen of eggs. A minimum
of $100 for a bottle of wine. Lettuces that cost between $5 to $15 dollars a head. Those foods
are not available to most people in Peru. Unless you grow them yourself following stringent international
standards. Antony Bourdain showed the organic coffee on one of his programs. He was able only to
show the farm and the plants. It was so expensive and rare that the production was purchased many
years in advance.
The food in Peru might be more natural and sometimes more polluted compared to foods
of other countries but the Organic production is sold exclusively abroad to premium customers
with very deep pockets.
richorozco wrote:falconagain wrote:richorozco wrote:
I like Peru because of the nature, the food, the true organic stuff, etc.... If I want to look at 6 ft polish girls, Italian girls, Irish folks with orange/red hair, etc.... Hell.....I'd stay in Chicago......
Peru = Organic food. Actually the majority of the food that people eat in Peru does not qualify as
organic. Organic foods have a series of associated overhead costs that makes it too expensive
to the regular person. We are talking about here about $20 dollars for a dozen of eggs. A minimum
of $100 for a bottle of wine. Lettuces that cost between $5 to $15 dollars a head. Those foods
are not available to most people in Peru. Unless you grow them yourself following stringent international
standards. Antony Bourdain showed the organic coffee on one of his programs. He was able only to
show the farm and the plants. It was so expensive and rare that the production was purchased many
years in advance.
The food in Peru might be more natural and sometimes more polluted compared to foods
of other countries but the Organic production is sold exclusively abroad to premium customers
with very deep pockets.
While I agree that there are limited controls in Peru (for everything from buying controlled medications to counterfeiting items), there are many places in Huaral, for example, that are solely for the purpose of exporting Grade A 'Organic items" to the Whole Foods, Marianos, etc...in the US. Not many Peruvians get the opportunity to eat this stuff because the products are meant for export. As some may be aware, Toledo opened up the Free Trade Agreement with the US while he was President. In addition, the majority of these exporters are powerful political families in Peru (i.e. think the offspring of the Belaunde family).
The farms in Huaral (10,000 Hectares) have automated sprinklers in this immense territory, many agricultural engineers and people from the US (i.e. think PhDs from the US, businessmen who come visit and look at the crops, financial analysts with MBAs from Wharton, Booth, and Kellogg) and it is close to 100% natural, however, insects are modified to defeat and kill other insects that do harm. They do not use pesticides and they control the amount of sunlight by covering ever single piece of fruit (i.e. avocado, tangerines, etc...) by folding pieces of newspaper over the fruits (yes, manual labor is cheap in Peru).
Like I said, Peru is a great place and even a better place for business people because profits can be made and labor is cheap .... you just need to have the political connections and know-how to avoid or minimize taxes, customs, etc....
Now, you can go to the highlands / jungle (ceja de selva) and eat from from natural, wild, nobody plants or maintains the area vegetation, etc.... Here you have absolutely no pesticides, insects that are used to eliminate plant diseases, etc.... but the fruit/vegetables are not the same and would not be suitable for export.
Same with the coffee .... it is meant for export and the normal people in Peru will never taste it because the stuff you find at stores is meant for national use not international/export (big $).
Same idea with Lacoste plants in Chincha and the Pima cotton they use. You will not get close to the garments and you will not get one out since the security and quality control is kinda tight. But Peru has good cotton, cheap labor, and business incentives....
falconagain wrote:tomsax wrote:I remember seeing scissors dances in Peru in 1987 so the idea that they didn't exist before 2000 is simply false. The dances still happen as part of traditional ferias in parts of Peru that have almost no tourism. They are largely dances by Peruvians, for Peruvians, although of course they also appear in penas, tourist shows and exhibitions of Peruvian dances abroad. But when they do it is always in a very sanitised form.
It is authentically Peruvian and a folk tradition also with more modern influences.
I said that there was no written record available to students in school and college during those years,
which is actually true as the publication of the scissors dance was limited to certain decades and this
books were not available to the general public. Besides that is really funny to find out about this traditions
later when your family belongs to the region that celebrates the.
This kind of folkloric misunderstanding does not happen in any country besides Peru. Once a tradition
is set there is plenty of documentation and detailed history that allows you to learn more about. In Peru
usually there is 2 or 3 books with no a additional references.
tomsax wrote:
I have no idea what you are talking about!
SmartKitty wrote:sbaustin wrote:Smartkitty,
Your post comes across pretty racist. "many short dark skinned people in dark clothing, black, brown colors don't suit them very well."? You may have not meant it that way, but to state that as some kind of cultural shock is extremely bizarre and in poor taste.
You see it racist? Maybe because you are one? I'm talking about shocking combination of colors and size: dark skin +dark clothes + short people, at the beginning is very strange just because anybody expects more variety (tall, short, medium) and definitely much more color, South America, tropical country, palm trees, bright colors... if you understand what I mean.
BTW, please, don't qualify my posting with your words, if you have a twisted mind, keep it to yourself, please. In my posting not a word related to the race.
chi chi wrote:Not flushing toilet paper and putting in a bin is for me the biggest shock.
That's why I only go to the toilet at home where I flush it.
Otherwise, when I go to a restaurant and go to the toilet, I won't eat anymore after seeing a bin full of used toilet paper.
dendrojosh wrote:
the pollution, how outrageously packed the buses and combi vans get.... and they are still trying to squeeze just one more person in.... and the noise have been the biggest things for me. One thing that has still amazed me is how quiet and tranquil the dogs are during the day, but as soon as it is like 1 in the morning and you're trying to sleep... One dog will start barking and then a few down the street will start barking. then all of a sudden every dog in the neighborhood is barking
chi chi wrote:dendrojosh wrote:
the pollution, how outrageously packed the buses and combi vans get.... and they are still trying to squeeze just one more person in.... and the noise have been the biggest things for me. One thing that has still amazed me is how quiet and tranquil the dogs are during the day, but as soon as it is like 1 in the morning and you're trying to sleep... One dog will start barking and then a few down the street will start barking. then all of a sudden every dog in the neighborhood is barking
Polution, packed buses and combis and noise?
Where do you live then?
Where I live, there's no polution, heavy traffic or noise at all.
We have sunshine all year round and the crime rate is very low.
So? I was in many countries in Asia and Latin America and I am also an engineer working in Defense projects all around the world, now retired and now I'm an artist, btw successful one. Here we are talking about 1st year impressions and culture shock. Each Latin American country is different and arriving to Lima, just going from the airport anybody see dirtiness and dark colors, then, with more time you get used to it.
Ecological products? BS! The water is not only a bad quality, it poisons you sometimes even after boiling it well or filtering, that's how I met my doctor. Chicken... be a little curious and ask how it's raised. Fruits and vegetables... ask about ddt and chemicals used in the fresh produce. You think in Peru everything is organic? Peru is a big dumpster for stuff which are prohibited in many developed countries including prohibited medicine.
An engineer living in a dreamland.