ironchefchris wrote:Congratulations! Hope you enjoy your new home. Is there an 'expatespaña' or something equivalent?
chi chi wrote:My (Peruvian) gf and I moved to Spain.
Now she no longer wants to go back to Peru. She only wants to spend vacations in Peru to visit her family but that's it.
We have met other Peruvians and all of them wouldn't even think of moving back to Peru. There are Peruvians that have moved back to Peru but they told us that those are the ones that are illegally in the country and now have a hard time to get a job and can't claim wellfare payments.
She loves Spain. She likes the cleanliness, safety of the country and friendliness of the people in Spain. Many things like brand clothing and many other products are cheaper.
Last week, we went skiing in Pradollano in the Sierra Nevada and she allready booked a few days to go back next week.
Viva España. Olé.
chi chi wrote:We have met other Peruvians and all of them wouldn't even think of moving back to Peru. There are Peruvians that have moved back to Peru but they told us that those are the ones that are illegally in the country and now have a hard time to get a job and can't claim wellfare payments.
tupacperu wrote:The job and economic situation in Spain is not at all good... wishing you luck. (Taxes are high - you pay a price for the pristine streets)
adrian Thorne wrote:It would also be great if you could supply factual information on how your girlfriend renewed her Schengen Visa. Based on previous posts it expired in November and I know they are very strict. It could be very helpful if any expats here, from outside the EU would like to take the trip.
chi chi wrote:She has a non married partner of an EU citizen visa. So, she has no restrictions. She can work and claim wellfare benefits.
To get that visa, we just had to prove that we have been together for more than 2 years.
adrian Thorne wrote:chi chi wrote:She has a non married partner of an EU citizen visa. So, she has no restrictions. She can work and claim wellfare benefits.
To get that visa, we just had to prove that we have been together for more than 2 years.
That is good. In which case if an EU citizen took his wife to Spain he would be in a similar situation, avoiding the prohibitive laws in the UK.
I am sure there are many here who would love to hear more details to help them.
adrian Thorne wrote:chi chi wrote:She has a non married partner of an EU citizen visa. So, she has no restrictions. She can work and claim wellfare benefits.
To get that visa, we just had to prove that we have been together for more than 2 years.
That is good. In which case if an EU citizen took his wife to Spain he would be in a similar situation, avoiding the prohibitive laws in the UK.
I am sure there are many here who would love to hear more details to help them.
adrian Thorne wrote:That can be very useful, knowing the restrictions applied elsewhere. We are talking Spain or did you mean having to go to Belgium and also how long does the visa last and is it renewable? The other point is there restricted travel within the EU, such as entry in to the UK, or are you bound by borders?
adrian Thorne wrote:My wife and I can very easily enter both Spain and the UK on a visitors visa, but onward travel from Spain to the UK is a problem, because the Schengen is not valid to enter the UK. If my wife, who has no language barriers obtained the visa and followed up with full residency, is it possible to travel freely within the UK? The first step is to establish EU residency or would she need to apply in another country, other than Spain.
The problem I have is because of the influx of people from the EU it is impacting overseas immigrants. I think very unfair, but this could be a way around the system.
teamoperu wrote:Glad your gf is happy! Now she can collect welfare and work off the books to support you?
chi chi wrote:teamoperu wrote:Glad your gf is happy! Now she can collect welfare and work off the books to support you?
Why not? You only live once.
teamoperu wrote:chi chi wrote:teamoperu wrote:Glad your gf is happy! Now she can collect welfare and work off the books to support you?
Why not? You only live once.
Well, because it is wrong. Life is about what you can give, not about what you can take.
But you do not know that yet, likely never will. Remember karma.
chi chi wrote:If there are people that give then people who take are needed.
Something you don't know yet.
adrian Thorne wrote:chi chi wrote:If there are people that give then people who take are needed.
Something you don't know yet.
This is all very strange to the majority of people and I was wondering. Why would Peruanas Immigrate to a place like Spain, with 25% unemployment and want to work like the other 75%, have a higher standard of living than they presently have and possible secure themselves for later in life? If it is so fantastic to manipulate the system The 75% working population are all pretty stupid. Would you not agree?
chi chi wrote:adrian Thorne wrote:chi chi wrote:If there are people that give then people who take are needed.
Something you don't know yet.
This is all very strange to the majority of people and I was wondering. Why would Peruanas Immigrate to a place like Spain, with 25% unemployment and want to work like the other 75%, have a higher standard of living than they presently have and possible secure themselves for later in life? If it is so fantastic to manipulate the system The 75% working population are all pretty stupid. Would you not agree?
The oficial unemployment figure is 25% but many people claim benefits and work off the record. It's has always been like that in Spain.
The standard of living is much higher in Spain.
You don't see people begging on the buses, nobody lives in a shed in a shantytown and people drive modern new cars.
The quality of housing is much better too.
In Peru, people don't want to improve. They throw their trash everywhere, let their dogs poop all over the place, they drive wrecks and urinate wherever on the street. They don't care about their country and themselves.
adrian Thorne wrote:I am sure you will receive a lot of comments about this, but my question was. "Why would Peruanas Immigrate to a place like Spain, with 25% unemployment and want to work like the other 75%?
chi chi wrote:adrian Thorne wrote:I am sure you will receive a lot of comments about this, but my question was. "Why would Peruanas Immigrate to a place like Spain, with 25% unemployment and want to work like the other 75%?
Because they will still have a much better standard of living than in Peru.
The wages are much higher in Spain and the cost of living doesn't differ much nowadays.
The problem is with 25% unemployment, what are the prospects of a Peruvian securing work and achieving a better standard of living.
Many things are even cheaper in Peru.
I know this is true, but of course you keep changing your mind.
There good public healthcare, excellent public transport and very good education.
Safety is much better too.
The public health has a long way to go, but I see more and more people receiving the help they need. Great strides have been taken with public transport and I believe the education system is very good.
My gf now even wouldn't think about moving back to Peru.
I suppose living the good life with a welfare cheat (self confessed) is better than minimum wages living on a dirt floor.
We are allready looking around for a home to buy.
adrian Thorne wrote:support your statements with proof.
Bobby wrote:Despite the big moral and economic crisis in Spain it is quite true that:
-Good education is free (mostly unreachable for a Peruvian)
-Health care is better quality and more affordable than in Peru. Outside Lima there is no hospital for complex surgery and treatments
- Public administration is more efficient. Culture (museums, concerts halls) is available for average people.
- Housing, outside big cities, is not that expensive compared to Lima
So it's understandable that Spain can be attractive to Peruvians. The main problem is getting a qualified job at the moment...
chi chi wrote:teamoperu wrote:chi chi wrote:teamoperu wrote:Glad your gf is happy! Now she can collect welfare and work off the books to support you?
Why not? You only live once.
Well, because it is wrong. Life is about what you can give, not about what you can take.
But you do not know that yet, likely never will. Remember karma.
If there are people that give then people who take are needed.
Something you don't know yet.
Dave wrote:chi chi wrote:We have met other Peruvians and all of them wouldn't even think of moving back to Peru. There are Peruvians that have moved back to Peru but they told us that those are the ones that are illegally in the country and now have a hard time to get a job and can't claim wellfare payments.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... ecord-high
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/spain/unemployment-rate
Seems like even Spanish citizens can't get a job. Maybe that's why so many are moving to Peru and other Latin American countries.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/peru/unemployment-rate
And the premise that no Peruvian would "even think of moving back to Peru" is kind of offensive to the country.
tupacperu wrote:My wife is Peruvian, she wants to move back. We are moving back 2016
chi chi wrote:tupacperu wrote:My wife is Peruvian, she wants to move back. We are moving back 2016
I am sure that you guys aren't going to work for the minimum wage and live in 'da hood' but you'll be arriving with a fistfull of dollars.
You will need them as Peru is no longer a 'democratically priced' hideout.
teamoperu wrote:If they have a fistful of dollars then they can choose where they want to live and apparently they chose Peru.
chi chi wrote:teamoperu wrote:If they have a fistful of dollars then they can choose where they want to live and apparently they chose Peru.
If you want to live good lifestyle then you need indeed a lot of money in Peru. Especially if you want to live in a nice área.
Peru is no longer a cheap place to hang out.
chi chi wrote:teamoperu wrote:If they have a fistful of dollars then they can choose where they want to live and apparently they chose Peru.
If you want to live good lifestyle then you need indeed a lot of money in Peru. Especially if you want to live in a nice área.
Peru is no longer a cheap place to hang out.
adrian Thorne wrote:chi chi wrote:teamoperu wrote:If they have a fistful of dollars then they can choose where they want to live and apparently they chose Peru.
If you want to live good lifestyle then you need indeed a lot of money in Peru. Especially if you want to live in a nice área.
Peru is no longer a cheap place to hang out.
May I be so bold as to say if a person lives on welfare he is always going to struggle. At least you are lucky to be able to spend other peoples hard earned cash, without any sense of guilt. The intention of support is to provide the basics to sustain, not necessarily at a level equivalent to the working family. If you worked you would discover there are many benefits to living the good life here in PERU
adrian Thorne wrote:May I be so bold as to say if a person lives on welfare he is always going to struggle.
SilverbackPeru wrote:There's money to be made here and a good life to be had if you are a well educated person with the right set of skills, especially if those skills are helpful in extracting Peru's natural resources! You can make a shed load of cash!
adrian Thorne wrote:I agree completely. Life sucks. The wages here are very poor, but on the other hand much better than the welfare here and many people have achieved a good standard of living. Nobody could expect to receive a European level of welfare, if unemployed, or European salary levels.
chi chi wrote:adrian Thorne wrote:I agree completely. Life sucks. The wages here are very poor, but on the other hand much better than the welfare here and many people have achieved a good standard of living. Nobody could expect to receive a European level of welfare, if unemployed, or European salary levels.
''The wellfare here''??? Which wellfare?
Sure, there are loads of Peruvians that have a good standard of living. Because they worked abroad and made money.
Or there's also the large number of Peruvians that also have a good standard of living because they have relatives that work abroad and send them money.
The qeues at the Western Unión offices are always long at the end of the moment because the lucky Peruvian are cashing in their giros.
adrian Thorne wrote:I assume you are going to back this statement with proof, that to make money, the wealthy all accrued their wealth outside of Peru. Your statements become more ludicrous every day.
chi chi wrote:adrian Thorne wrote:I assume you are going to back this statement with proof, that to make money, the wealthy all accrued their wealth outside of Peru. Your statements become more ludicrous every day.
Off course, not all the wealthy have made their money abroad but with an average Peruvian salary, it's just scraping to make ends meet.
There are big earners working for the governments. Often their income is supplemented by bribes as there's a lot of corruption within the government.
And there are also a lot of people who made big money with narcotráfico.
Yes, there are people who have set up a business and have been lucky and did well. But love is still tough. Too many crooks are after your money. Kidnappings and home invasións are all too common.
I think that's why many wealthy Peruvians send their kids abroad to study and gain work experience.
chi chi wrote:adrian Thorne wrote:I assume you are going to back this statement with proof, that to make money, the wealthy all accrued their wealth outside of Peru. Your statements become more ludicrous every day.
Off course, not all the wealthy have made their money abroad but with an average Peruvian salary, it's just scraping to make ends meet.
There are big earners working for the governments. Often their income is supplemented by bribes as there's a lot of corruption within the government.
And there are also a lot of people who made big money with narcotráfico.
Yes, there are people who have set up a business and have been lucky and did well. But love is still tough. Too many crooks are after your money. Kidnappings and home invasións are all too common.
I think that's why many wealthy Peruvians send their kids abroad to study and gain work experience.