Peruanas abroad

[chi chi]

My (Peruvian) gf and I moved to Spain.

Now she no longer wants to go back to Peru. She only wants to spend vacations in Peru to visit her family but that's it.

We have met other Peruvians and all of them wouldn't even think of moving back to Peru. There are Peruvians that have moved back to Peru but they told us that those are the ones that are illegally in the country and now have a hard time to get a job and can't claim wellfare payments.

She loves Spain. She likes the cleanliness, safety of the country and friendliness of the people in Spain. Many things like brand clothing and many other products are cheaper.

Last week, we went skiing in Pradollano in the Sierra Nevada and she allready booked a few days to go back next week.

Viva España. Olé.

[ironchefchris]

Congratulations! Hope you enjoy your new home. Is there an 'expatespaña' or something equivalent?

[Danny55]

Congratulations! Hope you enjoy your new home. Is there an 'expatespaña' or something equivalent?

Ha Ha

[teamoperu]

Super! Meanwhile, other germane news is my Peruvian dog threw up the other day.

[tupacperu]

My (Peruvian) gf and I moved to Spain.

Now she no longer wants to go back to Peru. She only wants to spend vacations in Peru to visit her family but that's it.

We have met other Peruvians and all of them wouldn't even think of moving back to Peru. There are Peruvians that have moved back to Peru but they told us that those are the ones that are illegally in the country and now have a hard time to get a job and can't claim wellfare payments.

She loves Spain. She likes the cleanliness, safety of the country and friendliness of the people in Spain. Many things like brand clothing and many other products are cheaper.

Last week, we went skiing in Pradollano in the Sierra Nevada and she allready booked a few days to go back next week.

Viva España. Olé.

I have an old friend in Spain, He owns a Finca and an Apartment in Barcelona....We visit and stay on vacation. He wants live in Peru..lol . The job and economic situation in Spain is not at all good... wishing you luck. (Taxes are high - you pay a price for the pristine streets)

[Dave]

We have met other Peruvians and all of them wouldn't even think of moving back to Peru. There are Peruvians that have moved back to Peru but they told us that those are the ones that are illegally in the country and now have a hard time to get a job and can't claim wellfare payments.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... ecord-high
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/spain/unemployment-rate

Seems like even Spanish citizens can't get a job. Maybe that's why so many are moving to Peru and other Latin American countries.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/peru/unemployment-rate

And the premise that no Peruvian would "even think of moving back to Peru" is kind of offensive to the country.

[chi chi]

The job and economic situation in Spain is not at all good... wishing you luck. (Taxes are high - you pay a price for the pristine streets)

Unemployment in Spain has always been very high. Same in Peru.
But in Spain they pay wellfare benefits and help people who are on a low income with housing.
And the actual unemployment is lower than they officially quote as many people who claim wellfare benefits work 'of the record'.
It's easy to find an 'of the record' job in hotels, shops and restaurants.
And then there's a huge amount of foreigners from other European countries who claim wellfare benefits in their home country and live in Spain because there wellfare check goes much further in Spain because the cost of living is much lower.

There are no shantytowns full of homes made of plastic, corrugated steel, wood and without running wáter of electricity in Spain.
The hills around Lima are full of them.

Public transport is excellent and cheap in Spain. New and clean buses. They cost of few cents more than in Peru but you get much better value for money.

Housing is cheaper than in Peru.

I rent a new, fully furnished flat. It has also a big flatscreen TV and fully equiped kitchen and two balconies in a quiet and nice área of town.
I pay 250 euros a month or 870 soles a month. Water, condominium fees, and unlimited internet is included in the rent. There's also a garage where I can park my motorbike.

Wine, cheese, beer and many other food ítems are cheaper than in Peru.
Decent clothing is cheaper too.

Peru is no longer a cheap hideaway.

If you want to live well and you are on a budget then move to Southern Europe. Spain, Portugal or Greece.

And there's no hassle with immigration. You don't have to borderhop. Yesterday, I opened a bank account. I just needed my national ID card from my home country. You don't even need your Passport.
In Spain, you can rent or buy a property without any restrictions at all.

And if you want to work, no workvisas are required.

Portugal and Greece are even cheaper than Spain.

I like Peru but just for a (expensive) vacation.
5 years ago, Peru was still a cheap place, now it has become expensive but the standards of living hasn't improved.

[Guiri]

[quote="chi chi"]

1.Unemployment in Spain has always been very high. Same in Peru.
But in Spain they pay wellfare benefits and help people who are on a low income with housing.

well true and not true ...it depends on the region

2.And then there's a huge amount of foreigners from other European countries who claim wellfare benefits in their home country and live in Spain because there wellfare check goes much further in Spain because the cost of living is much lower.

Not true

3. There are no shantytowns full of homes made of plastic, corrugated steel, wood and without running wáter of electricity in Spain.

Not true ...there are. Ever been to the outskirts of Madrid??

4. Public transport is excellent and cheap in Spain. New and clean buses. They cost of few cents more than in Peru but you get much better value for money.

Definitively true

5. Housing is cheaper than in Peru.
I rent a new, fully furnished flat. It has also a big flatscreen TV and fully equiped kitchen and two balconies in a quiet and nice área of town.
I pay 250 euros a month or 870 soles a month. Water, condominium fees, and unlimited internet is included in the rent. There's also a garage where I can park my motorbike.

Not true...look at No.1 .....you can consider yourself lucky to find a place for that price.

6. Wine, cheese, beer and many other food ítems are cheaper than in Peru.
Decent clothing is cheaper too.

True

7. If you want to live well and you are on a budget then move to Southern Europe. Spain, Portugal or Greece.

And there's no hassle with immigration.

Not true if you are from outside EU

8. In Spain, you can rent or buy a property without any restrictions at all.
....see 7.

9. And if you want to work, no workvisas are required.
...see 7.

0. Portugal and Greece are even cheaper than Spain.

Definitively not true

[adrian Thorne]

What an amazing description. It must be a different country since it came close to going bust. It would be fantastic if you could try and provide some evidence to support of your adventure, rather than rely on your wealth of specialist knowledge.
It would also be great if you could supply factual information on how your girlfriend renewed her Schengen Visa. Based on previous posts it expired in November and I know they are very strict. It could be very helpful if any expats here, from outside the EU would like to take the trip.

[chi chi]

It would also be great if you could supply factual information on how your girlfriend renewed her Schengen Visa. Based on previous posts it expired in November and I know they are very strict. It could be very helpful if any expats here, from outside the EU would like to take the trip.

She has a non married partner of an EU citizen visa. So, she has no restrictions. She can work and claim wellfare benefits.
To get that visa, we just had to prove that we have been together for more than 2 years.

[adrian Thorne]

She has a non married partner of an EU citizen visa. So, she has no restrictions. She can work and claim wellfare benefits.
To get that visa, we just had to prove that we have been together for more than 2 years.

That is good. In which case if an EU citizen took his wife to Spain he would be in a similar situation, avoiding the prohibitive laws in the UK.
I am sure there are many here who would love to hear more details to help them.

[panman]

She has a non married partner of an EU citizen visa. So, she has no restrictions. She can work and claim wellfare benefits.
To get that visa, we just had to prove that we have been together for more than 2 years.

That is good. In which case if an EU citizen took his wife to Spain he would be in a similar situation, avoiding the prohibitive laws in the UK.
I am sure there are many here who would love to hear more details to help them.

As an English citizen with a Peruvian wife, I for one would love full details. This information could save me a load of hassle when I go to the UK later in the year and perhaps I could claim a few quid whilst I'm on holiday. It would be like a tax rebate for 30 years of contributions.

[Slippery Jack]

Here is the address of a forum that gives out fantastic visa advice.

http://www.expatforum.com/expats/britai ... living-uk/

[chi chi]

She has a non married partner of an EU citizen visa. So, she has no restrictions. She can work and claim wellfare benefits.
To get that visa, we just had to prove that we have been together for more than 2 years.

That is good. In which case if an EU citizen took his wife to Spain he would be in a similar situation, avoiding the prohibitive laws in the UK.
I am sure there are many here who would love to hear more details to help them.

That's why many people go the ''Belgium route''.

If you bring your partner to Belgium then she doesn't have to pass a language test. The UK and the Netherlands require visa applicants to pass a language test.

You need a mínimum income when applying for a visa for your partner but it's low. Even unemployment benefit is enough.

The visa application for partners of an EU citizen is free of charge.

The process to get the visa takes between 4 and 6 weeks.

Partners of EU citizen have the right to work without any restrictions and they are entitled to free education and can apply for wellfare payments and social housing.

[adrian Thorne]

That can be very useful, knowing the restrictions applied elsewhere. We are talking Spain or did you mean having to go to Belgium and also how long does the visa last and is it renewable? The other point is there restricted travel within the EU, such as entry in to the UK, or are you bound by borders?

[chi chi]

That can be very useful, knowing the restrictions applied elsewhere. We are talking Spain or did you mean having to go to Belgium and also how long does the visa last and is it renewable? The other point is there restricted travel within the EU, such as entry in to the UK, or are you bound by borders?

The Yellow Card (residence permit) initially is valid for 6 months. Then you can renew it free of charge for a 5 year one. After 5 years you can apply of a Belgian passport.

With the yellow card, you can travel freely within the Schengen área.
The UK and Ireland aren't part of Schengen so you probably will need a separate visa for the UK and Ireland.

The best thing is to ask the UK or Irish embassy.

[JanD]

As you stated the UK and Ireland are not part of the Schengen treaty.
Consequently, being a Peruvian (and other), you indeed need a separate visa to travel to those countries.

When my Peruvian wife (living in The Netherlands in those days still without her Dutch nationality) and I wanted to visit the UK, she had to apply for a visa, which was btw granted without any problems, being my partner.

But yes ChiChi, the "Belgian connection" is a viable option to get your partner to The Netherlands avoiding the (imo stupid) language test!
However the language test in The Netherlands is only applicable in case of the application of a residence permit, not for a (one, two or three months') visa.

[adrian Thorne]

My wife and I can very easily enter both Spain and the UK on a visitors visa, but onward travel from Spain to the UK is a problem, because the Schengen is not valid to enter the UK. If my wife, who has no language barriers obtained the visa and followed up with full residency, is it possible to travel freely within the UK? The first step is to establish EU residency or would she need to apply in another country, other than Spain.
The problem I have is because of the influx of people from the EU it is impacting overseas immigrants. I think very unfair, but this could be a way around the system.

[Danny55]

My wife and I can very easily enter both Spain and the UK on a visitors visa, but onward travel from Spain to the UK is a problem, because the Schengen is not valid to enter the UK. If my wife, who has no language barriers obtained the visa and followed up with full residency, is it possible to travel freely within the UK? The first step is to establish EU residency or would she need to apply in another country, other than Spain.
The problem I have is because of the influx of people from the EU it is impacting overseas immigrants. I think very unfair, but this could be a way around the system.

I saw a similar case recently :
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... pean-court

[chi chi]

I saw a similar case recently :
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... pean-court

It's more convenient to travel as a stowaway on a ferry to the UK. You get free accomodation, free healthcare and wellfare payments from day one.

VIP treatment that doesn't cost you a dime. All paid for by the hardworking British taxpayer.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... nflux.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... views.html

[teamoperu]

Glad your gf is happy! Now she can collect welfare and work off the books to support you?

[chi chi]

Glad your gf is happy! Now she can collect welfare and work off the books to support you?

Why not? You only live once.

[teamoperu]

Glad your gf is happy! Now she can collect welfare and work off the books to support you?

Why not? You only live once.

Well, because it is wrong. Life is about what you can give, not about what you can take.

But you do not know that yet, likely never will. Remember karma.

[chi chi]

Glad your gf is happy! Now she can collect welfare and work off the books to support you?

Why not? You only live once.

Well, because it is wrong. Life is about what you can give, not about what you can take.

But you do not know that yet, likely never will. Remember karma.

If there are people that give then people who take are needed.

Something you don't know yet.

[adrian Thorne]

If there are people that give then people who take are needed.

Something you don't know yet.

This is all very strange to the majority of people and I was wondering. Why would Peruanas Immigrate to a place like Spain, with 25% unemployment and want to work like the other 75%, have a higher standard of living than they presently have and possible secure themselves for later in life? If it is so fantastic to manipulate the system The 75% working population are all pretty stupid. Would you not agree?

[chi chi]

If there are people that give then people who take are needed.

Something you don't know yet.

This is all very strange to the majority of people and I was wondering. Why would Peruanas Immigrate to a place like Spain, with 25% unemployment and want to work like the other 75%, have a higher standard of living than they presently have and possible secure themselves for later in life? If it is so fantastic to manipulate the system The 75% working population are all pretty stupid. Would you not agree?

The oficial unemployment figure is 25% but many people claim benefits and work off the record. It's has always been like that in Spain.
The standard of living is much higher in Spain.
You don't see people begging on the buses, nobody lives in a shed in a shantytown and people drive modern new cars.
The quality of housing is much better too.

In Peru, people don't want to improve. They throw their trash everywhere, let their dogs poop all over the place, they drive wrecks and urinate wherever on the street. They don't care about their country and themselves.

[adrian Thorne]

If there are people that give then people who take are needed.

Something you don't know yet.

This is all very strange to the majority of people and I was wondering. Why would Peruanas Immigrate to a place like Spain, with 25% unemployment and want to work like the other 75%, have a higher standard of living than they presently have and possible secure themselves for later in life? If it is so fantastic to manipulate the system The 75% working population are all pretty stupid. Would you not agree?

The oficial unemployment figure is 25% but many people claim benefits and work off the record. It's has always been like that in Spain.
The standard of living is much higher in Spain.
You don't see people begging on the buses, nobody lives in a shed in a shantytown and people drive modern new cars.
The quality of housing is much better too.

In Peru, people don't want to improve. They throw their trash everywhere, let their dogs poop all over the place, they drive wrecks and urinate wherever on the street. They don't care about their country and themselves.

I am sure you will receive a lot of comments about this, but my question was. "Why would Peruanas Immigrate to a place like Spain, with 25% unemployment and want to work like the other 75%?

[chi chi]

I am sure you will receive a lot of comments about this, but my question was. "Why would Peruanas Immigrate to a place like Spain, with 25% unemployment and want to work like the other 75%?

Because they will still have a much better standard of living than in Peru.
The wages are much higher in Spain and the cost of living doesn't differ much nowadays.

Many things are even cheaper in Spain.

There good public healthcare, excellent public transport and very good education.
Safety is much better too.

My gf now even wouldn't think about moving back to Peru.

We are allready looking around for a home to buy.

[adrian Thorne]

I am sure you will receive a lot of comments about this, but my question was. "Why would Peruanas Immigrate to a place like Spain, with 25% unemployment and want to work like the other 75%?

Because they will still have a much better standard of living than in Peru.
The wages are much higher in Spain and the cost of living doesn't differ much nowadays.

The problem is with 25% unemployment, what are the prospects of a Peruvian securing work and achieving a better standard of living.

Many things are even cheaper in Peru.

I know this is true, but of course you keep changing your mind.

There good public healthcare, excellent public transport and very good education.
Safety is much better too.

The public health has a long way to go, but I see more and more people receiving the help they need. Great strides have been taken with public transport and I believe the education system is very good.

My gf now even wouldn't think about moving back to Peru.

I suppose living the good life with a welfare cheat (self confessed) is better than minimum wages living on a dirt floor.


We are allready looking around for a home to buy.

Better sale the many houses you own in Peru to finance it as Ollanta is about to allocate them all to the homeless.

Chi all you have listed is unfounded supposition. I suggest you go away, check your facts and support your statements with proof. Until then there is not one statement that is believable.

[Bobby]

Despite the big moral and economic crisis in Spain it is quite true that:

-Good education is free (mostly unreachable for a Peruvian)
-Health care is better quality and more affordable than in Peru. Outside Lima there is no hospital for complex surgery and treatments
- Public administration is more efficient. Culture (museums, concerts halls) is available for average people.
- Housing, outside big cities, is not that expensive compared to Lima

So it's understandable that Spain can be attractive to Peruvians. The main problem is getting a qualified job at the moment...

[chi chi]

support your statements with proof.

The queue in front of the Embassy of Spain in Lima is still very long. ...every day.

Despite the big moral and economic crisis in Spain it is quite true that:

-Good education is free (mostly unreachable for a Peruvian)
-Health care is better quality and more affordable than in Peru. Outside Lima there is no hospital for complex surgery and treatments
- Public administration is more efficient. Culture (museums, concerts halls) is available for average people.
- Housing, outside big cities, is not that expensive compared to Lima

So it's understandable that Spain can be attractive to Peruvians. The main problem is getting a qualified job at the moment...

Indeed, it's harder to get job nowadays but it's even harder to get a job in Peru.

And when you get a job in Spain, you get at least 900 euros a month which is more than enough to live off. You can rent a flat on your own, pay the bills, get enough food and you still can save money at the end of the month. You get paid holidays, sickness benefit and a 13th month. And you are guaranteed a pension.

In Peru. you get 215 euros a month and the cost of living is roughly the same as in Spain. Many things are even more expensive in Peru.

At least, when you don't have a job in Spain you get ''paro'' (unemployment benefit), you can get social housing and you can eat for free at the comedor social. At the comedor, you can also get free clothing.

In Peru, you get nothing at all because the government doesn't care at all about it's citizens.

[teamoperu]

Glad your gf is happy! Now she can collect welfare and work off the books to support you?

Why not? You only live once.

Well, because it is wrong. Life is about what you can give, not about what you can take.

But you do not know that yet, likely never will. Remember karma.

If there are people that give then people who take are needed.

Something you don't know yet.

“If there are people that give then people who take are needed.
Something you don't know yet. “

No. If you want to reread more carefully, I was pointing out that some people are takers and they are displaying very poor ethical standards. People who give do so with a kind heart to help folks who need help, not welfare cheats. They know that life is about giving, not taking.

The welfare cheats and takers I know have deep rooted psychological and sometimes physical problems. Some event in their childhood or birth, like being sick or short, presented an option for them. Some rise above it and become very successful useful members of society; some are too weak to do this and trick themselves into believing that they are entitled to jobs and welfare, entitled to take from society. They are leeches. Sadly they develop associated sicknesses, pathological lying, become germaphobic, have deep insecurity so become rabid attention seekers, have deep seated fears because of their past event so they see boogeymen behind every tree, develop very odd views of the world to insulate themselves from being able to see who they really are. They think they are tricking the system. In fact they are sad examples of the worst this world has and eventually karma catches up with them.

[tupacperu]

We have met other Peruvians and all of them wouldn't even think of moving back to Peru. There are Peruvians that have moved back to Peru but they told us that those are the ones that are illegally in the country and now have a hard time to get a job and can't claim wellfare payments.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... ecord-high
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/spain/unemployment-rate

Seems like even Spanish citizens can't get a job. Maybe that's why so many are moving to Peru and other Latin American countries.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/peru/unemployment-rate

And the premise that no Peruvian would "even think of moving back to Peru" is kind of offensive to the country.

My wife is Peruvian, she wants to move back. We are moving back 2016

[chi chi]

My wife is Peruvian, she wants to move back. We are moving back 2016

I am sure that you guys aren't going to work for the minimum wage and live in 'da hood' but you'll be arriving with a fistfull of dollars.
You will need them as Peru is no longer a 'democratically priced' hideout.

[teamoperu]

My wife is Peruvian, she wants to move back. We are moving back 2016

I am sure that you guys aren't going to work for the minimum wage and live in 'da hood' but you'll be arriving with a fistfull of dollars.
You will need them as Peru is no longer a 'democratically priced' hideout.

If they have a fistful of dollars then they can choose where they want to live and apparently they chose Peru.

[chi chi]

If they have a fistful of dollars then they can choose where they want to live and apparently they chose Peru.

If you want to live good lifestyle then you need indeed a lot of money in Peru. Especially if you want to live in a nice área.

Peru is no longer a cheap place to hang out.

[teamoperu]

If they have a fistful of dollars then they can choose where they want to live and apparently they chose Peru.

If you want to live good lifestyle then you need indeed a lot of money in Peru. Especially if you want to live in a nice área.

Peru is no longer a cheap place to hang out.

"Peru is no longer a cheap place to hang out." This is incorrect.

Peru is a cheap place for me to hang out, and live like a king whilst doing so. The good life is good in Peru.

Besides, there are things much more important than money. And there are plenty of opportunities to contribute to society and make things better in this world.

[roddd]

in Spain they pay wellfare benefits and help people who are on a low income with housing

right up your street then

i guess you wont need to post on here any more i am sure there is an expatspain forum waiting for you

[adrian Thorne]

If they have a fistful of dollars then they can choose where they want to live and apparently they chose Peru.

If you want to live good lifestyle then you need indeed a lot of money in Peru. Especially if you want to live in a nice área.

Peru is no longer a cheap place to hang out.

May I be so bold as to say if a person lives on welfare he is always going to struggle. At least you are lucky to be able to spend other peoples hard earned cash, without any sense of guilt. The intention of support is to provide the basics to sustain, not necessarily at a level equivalent to the working family. If you worked you would discover there are many benefits to living the good life here in PERU

[SilverbackPeru]

If they have a fistful of dollars then they can choose where they want to live and apparently they chose Peru.

If you want to live good lifestyle then you need indeed a lot of money in Peru. Especially if you want to live in a nice área.

Peru is no longer a cheap place to hang out.

May I be so bold as to say if a person lives on welfare he is always going to struggle. At least you are lucky to be able to spend other peoples hard earned cash, without any sense of guilt. The intention of support is to provide the basics to sustain, not necessarily at a level equivalent to the working family. If you worked you would discover there are many benefits to living the good life here in PERU

Adrian i think you need to have a little look through the job listings on the forum here before thinking working here is going to get you the good life. Most jobs posted are paying $250 to $600 a month which really isn't going to give you the good life. I've worked almost every day of my life but with those wages he's definitely better off on a european benefits system despite it being morally wrong, and you get free housing thrown in as well.

There's money to be made here and a good life to be had if you are a well educated person with the right set of skills, especially if those skills are helpful in extracting Peru's natural resources! You can make a shed load of cash! I won't argue that you can make a decent retirement here neither, you can. But coming to Peru to work and to create a solid financial future with retirement funds and property, for many just won't happen especially when the housing market crashes and those properties bought become a fraction of the value.

A sad/good point as you will know with the UK is that the benefits system can be a better income than some of the minimum wages jobs. It's crap when people fleece the system but on the plus side it's a great safety net if you hit hard times as you will never really experience poverty.

[adrian Thorne]

I agree completely. Life sucks. The wages here are very poor, but on the other hand much better than the welfare here and many people have achieved a good standard of living. Nobody could expect to receive a European level of welfare, if unemployed, or European salary levels.

[chi chi]

May I be so bold as to say if a person lives on welfare he is always going to struggle.

Many people on wellfare are better off than people who work. Especially if you have a few children.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/461463 ... age-family

There's money to be made here and a good life to be had if you are a well educated person with the right set of skills, especially if those skills are helpful in extracting Peru's natural resources! You can make a shed load of cash!

But if that well educated person with the right kind of skills loses his job due to sickness, accident or illnes then he will end up selling caramelos on the bus. Whilst in Europe, he will get wellfare benefits for the rest of his life.


That's the reason why so many Peruvians want to go to Europe. There's social security. If they get a job, they make enough money to live if. Even if they only make the mínimum wage. They can get decent housing, good and often free healthcare and their children are guaranteed a good and free education.

In Peru, if the parents don't make a lot of money, their children will get worthless or no education.

[chi chi]

I agree completely. Life sucks. The wages here are very poor, but on the other hand much better than the welfare here and many people have achieved a good standard of living. Nobody could expect to receive a European level of welfare, if unemployed, or European salary levels.

''The wellfare here''??? Which wellfare?

Sure, there are loads of Peruvians that have a good standard of living. Because they worked abroad and made money.
Or there's also the large number of Peruvians that also have a good standard of living because they have relatives that work abroad and send them money.
The qeues at the Western Unión offices are always long at the end of the moment because the lucky Peruvian are cashing in their giros.

[adrian Thorne]

I agree completely. Life sucks. The wages here are very poor, but on the other hand much better than the welfare here and many people have achieved a good standard of living. Nobody could expect to receive a European level of welfare, if unemployed, or European salary levels.

''The wellfare here''??? Which wellfare?

Sure, there are loads of Peruvians that have a good standard of living. Because they worked abroad and made money.
Or there's also the large number of Peruvians that also have a good standard of living because they have relatives that work abroad and send them money.
The qeues at the Western Unión offices are always long at the end of the moment because the lucky Peruvian are cashing in their giros.

I assume you are going to back this statement with proof, that to make money, the wealthy all accrued their wealth outside of Peru. Your statements become more ludicrous every day.

[chi chi]

I assume you are going to back this statement with proof, that to make money, the wealthy all accrued their wealth outside of Peru. Your statements become more ludicrous every day.

Off course, not all the wealthy have made their money abroad but with an average Peruvian salary, it's just scraping to make ends meet.

There are big earners working for the governments. Often their income is supplemented by bribes as there's a lot of corruption within the government.

And there are also a lot of people who made big money with narcotráfico.

Yes, there are people who have set up a business and have been lucky and did well. But love is still tough. Too many crooks are after your money. Kidnappings and home invasións are all too common.

I think that's why many wealthy Peruvians send their kids abroad to study and gain work experience.

[teamoperu]

I assume you are going to back this statement with proof, that to make money, the wealthy all accrued their wealth outside of Peru. Your statements become more ludicrous every day.

Off course, not all the wealthy have made their money abroad but with an average Peruvian salary, it's just scraping to make ends meet.

There are big earners working for the governments. Often their income is supplemented by bribes as there's a lot of corruption within the government.

And there are also a lot of people who made big money with narcotráfico.

Yes, there are people who have set up a business and have been lucky and did well. But love is still tough. Too many crooks are after your money. Kidnappings and home invasións are all too common.

I think that's why many wealthy Peruvians send their kids abroad to study and gain work experience.

Yet another post with ludicrous atatements. Folks, read what chi chi writes, then think the opposite and you'll be closer to the truth. Broadbrush simplistic statements, he is allowed his opinion, but never can he back them up with any facts or evidence. So, totally unfounded opinions = useless opinions. Why, you ask? Some people are so scarred in life that they run in fear from boogeymen behind every tree, they cheat people so they think everyone is out to cheat them, they are poor so anyone who has money must have done it illegally. Can you imagine having to live with someone with such unbalanced views and such negativity? I cannot.

[adrian Thorne]

I assume you are going to back this statement with proof, that to make money, the wealthy all accrued their wealth outside of Peru. Your statements become more ludicrous every day.

Off course, not all the wealthy have made their money abroad but with an average Peruvian salary, it's just scraping to make ends meet.

There are big earners working for the governments. Often their income is supplemented by bribes as there's a lot of corruption within the government.

And there are also a lot of people who made big money with narcotráfico.

Yes, there are people who have set up a business and have been lucky and did well. But love is still tough. Too many crooks are after your money. Kidnappings and home invasións are all too common.

I think that's why many wealthy Peruvians send their kids abroad to study and gain work experience.

Back on topic. If this is the case, is it different in Spain for the Peruvian? I understood corruption is a major problem in Spain:

https://www.contributoria.com/issue/201 ... e76900009b

Regarding drugs if I remember correctly The two female drug smugglers captured in Lima were in fact sent from Spain by Columbian gangs. Sounds like a nice place.

[SilverbackPeru]

It is common to see the exceptionally skilled move abroad for long periods of time to make money and then return when home sick but there's been more than enough money to be made with the boom over the past 10 years for most people to not have to move abroad.

The boom has definitely helped to reduce crime with more wealth in all classes and Lima has become a lot safer. When in the modern areas of Lima i feel extremely safe, there might be the odd pick pocket but that's all. It does get worse during the Christmas period, there were a few incidents close to my work place this December compared to other years.

Those rich families with money don't live in fear but you will find they have an understanding of what can happen and that Lima is never truly 100% safe.