69roadrunner wrote:Peru 6,848 cases 208 cases per million That's a whopping 3874 more since yesterday
Mexico 4,219 cases 33 cases per million That's a mere 1434 since yesterday.
Keep in mind Mexico has 4 times the population as Peru.
Quite a rise since yesterday for Peru. Despite the fact Peru has scared it citizens by locking down the country and masks be worn and Mexico has taken the high road and not frightened it's citizens to death.
Think of what the numbers would be if Peru had followed Mexico's, less stressful example. We all know what stress can do to ones health.
Mexico has lower numbers simply because they have not panicked its people causing stress.
Cold hard numbers with no, if this, if that, ands, buts or needless panicking the people or if aliens landed.
I'm cynical of the numbers coming out of many countries. Some for scientific reasons, other for political reasons.
Lack of testing is one one reason to suspect that numbers are being under reported. If there's reason to believe that the numbers in Peru (with it's lesser testing resources) are under reported due to lack of testing when compared to Connecticut in the US, then that same reasoning would also apply to Mexico and under reporting. Those numbers aren't really all that hard, or cold. More soft and fuzzy. There are numerous reports from reliable sources about how Mexico is under reporting it's numbers.
I'm not surprised to read reports that China is intentionally under reporting their numbers. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that other countries are intentionally under reporting for political reasons. At this point in time there are no real cold, hard numbers that can be considered completeley reliable. There are only discernible patterns and the suggestions of the medical and scientific community who have studied pandemic viruses, have cold hard experience, and there are politicians who claim to know more than these experienced experts and spread misinformation, like the governor of Puebla, who said that the poor are imune and only the wealthy are at risk. If I need advice on dangerous chemicals If my life is at stake I'm going to take the word of a chemist over a lawyer or politician. I'll also take the advice of the medicial/scientific community on a highly contagious virus over a politician.
But since you're talking about "cold hard numbers," and "facts," where are the specific cold hard numbers (that facts are based on) that you refer to when making your claims?
Can you provided any links to studies with cold hard numbers that proves (or even merely suggests) that the reason deaths attributed to coronavirus here in Peru is because "the fact (that) Peru has scared it (sic) citizens by locking down the country?" If "Mexico has taken the high road and not frightened it's citizens to death," then what did all of those dead coronavirus victims actually die of if not fright? Can you provide any links to studies with cold hard numbers that draw and back up this conclusion? Any links to even a story by a reputable person with credentials in the scientific/medical field who even without any cold hard numbers or facts suggests this?
I'm not doubting that stress can lead to various illnesses, but I haven't come across any cold hard numbers that prove that there's any link between stress levels and suceptibly to contracting coronavirus. Can you provide any links to studies with cold hard numbers that proves as fact that Mexico's (likely under reported) lower numbers are "simply because they have not panicked its people causing stress?" Can you provide any links to studies with cold hard numbers that shows that lack of stress is proven to reduce suceptibility to getting corona virus? I've seen news reports interviewing Mexicans who are worried about coronavirus, but nothing that quantifies stress levels in the Mexican population. Can you provide any links to studies with cold hard numbers that quantifies the stress level in the Mexican population? Can you provide links with cold hard numbers that shows that people are actually stressed by being told to wear a mask in public and practice social distancing? Any links with cold hard numbers that shows that being told by politicians with no medical/scientific background and without any evidence that being told not to practice social distancing or wear a mask in public actually reduces stress levels?
Can you provide any links to studies with cold hard numbers by scientists or anyone in the medical community who say that the way to contain and reduce the number of corona virus cases is to do as AMLO suggests and not practice social distancing? How, with links to studies with cold hard numbers and scientifically not anecdotally speaking, is a highly contagious virus more contained by not practicing social distancing?
So far we've not seen any cold hard numbers or facts that back up your claim that AMLO is taking the correct measures, but there're plenty of links to experts who say he's taking the wrong measures. Provide some links to back up your claims, or tell us how you've come to these conclusions and what your background, credentials, and experience in pandemic viruses is that would make someone take your opinion over that of an expert.