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Postby noclevername » Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:47 pm

We've all seen and read misinformation, flat out lies, and complete nonsense. I wonder if like the recommendation that chloroquine phosphate was approved to treat coronavirus (it's not), and where someone actually died from following this suggestion,

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... -phosphate

some people will actually follow the advice that injecting disinfectants or blasts of UV light "either through the skin or some other way" (for example?) will protect them, even though UV radiation causes cancer. Injecting disinfectants has to be the craziest thing I've heard so far. The look on the face of Coronavirus Response Coordinator, Dr. Deborah Birx says it all.



https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-c ... deo-2020-4

"I'm not a doctor. But I'm like a person who has a good you know what."

Any other scary and crazy misinformation, nonsense you've come across?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... -phosphate


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Postby 69roadrunner » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:37 am

Amazing the gullibility some people, just fake news.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04 ... rters.html
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Postby samthesham » Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:34 am

I'm Corona crazy but only if there's a lime involved. :)
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Postby Alan » Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:29 am

69roadrunner wrote:Amazing the gullibility some people, just fake news.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04 ... rters.html



Anyone who has a legitimate interest in this story should watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtgVxGkrX1Y

It is very clear that President Trump is not playing a prank, and he is not being sarcastic.

He is bridging from recomendations from his advisors who say "bleach and disinfectants are good for killing the virus on surfaces" to saying: "well, let's investigate injecting them into the body".
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Postby JoshuS » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:53 pm

ER Doctors debunk the lies and deceptions of the SCAM/PLANdemia.

Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing
https://youtu.be/xfLVxx_lBLU

Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb6j7o1pLBw&t=9s
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Postby noclevername » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:05 pm

Alan wrote:
69roadrunner wrote:Amazing the gullibility some people, just fake news.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04 ... rters.html

Anyone who has a legitimate interest in this story should watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtgVxGkrX1Y

It is very clear that President Trump is not playing a prank, and he is not being sarcastic.

He is bridging from recomendations from his advisors who say "bleach and disinfectants are good for killing the virus on surfaces" to saying: "well, let's investigate injecting them into the body".

As the linked NY Mag article states,

Trump was not addressing reporters when he said this. He was turning to the side and addressing his mortified science adviser, Dr. Deborah Birx. And he was not smiling.

But even if was being sarcastic and/or playing a prank (which he obviously wasn't); is this the kind of leadership people really need or even want right now coming out the White House during a global crisis - sarcasm, jokes, pranks on the press?

“Respectfully, sir, you are the president, and people tune into these briefings, they want to get information and guidance and want to know what to do – they are not looking for rumors,” the reporter stated.

Trump fired back yet again, “I’m the president and you’re fake news...."


There's actually people who take these suggestions to ingest/inject disinfectants seriously. Just like the couple in Arizona who ingested chloroquine phosphate on Trump's recomendation. One of them died because they injested chloroquine phosphate, which study results are showing can be dangerous.

https://www.businessinsider.com/marylan ... ure-2020-4

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04 ... an-doctors

https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/hyd ... d-19-study

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Postby Formidable 1 » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:31 pm

Trump Did NOT Say We Should Inject Ourselves With Disinfectant, He Said The Opposite

https://lidblog.com/inject-ourselves-with-disinfectant/
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Postby noclevername » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:47 pm

This guy wants people to cough in his face. If he really isn't afraid, wants to make a statement and really wants contact with the virus I wonder why he isn't waiting outside of a hospital when they're bringing in new patients who've contracted the virus. Not that he's not taking needless and stupid risks by ignoring social distancing suggestions in a crowd of like minded people who are also likely ignoring suggestions that would help keep them safe and who may already be infected but don't know it because they aren't showing symptoms yet.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_VTmGShQp2 ... e=ig_embed

I wouldn't be surprised if this guy, who's already not looking too healthy and claims to be immune compromised, winds up being another one of those people who makes social media posts about this all being a hoax, says it's time to ignore shelter at home suggestions and the suggestions of the medical/scientific communities (though he's wearing a mask - until he isn't), and soon becomes another coronavirus denier turned victim/statitistic. He's got that 'rona cough.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_QyLhoBTU7 ... e=ig_embed

Q) who do you thinks agenda this is?
A) ::cough::
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Postby noclevername » Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:16 pm

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: No, I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen. Now, disinfectant for doing this maybe on the hands would work.

Yeah, I do think the disinfectant on the hands could have a very good effect. Now, Bill is going back to check that in the laboratory. It’s an amazing laboratory, by the way. It’s amazing the work they do. So he’s going to check because a hard surface, this is a hard surface, I guess maybe depending on whose hands you’re talking about, but this is a hard surface, and the disinfectant has an unbelievable, it wipes it out. You saw it. Sun, and heat, and humidity wipe it out. And this is from tests. They’ve been doing these tests for a number of months and the result… So then I said, “Well, how do we do it inside the body or even outside the body with the hands? And disinfectant, I think would work. He thinks it would work. But you use it when you’re doing your hands. I guess that’s one of the reasons they say wash your hands, but whether it’s washing your hands or disinfectant on your hands, it’s very good.”


No need to for amaing laboratories. It's called soap. Frequently washing your hands with it has been suggested for months now since the virus has a fatty, outer layer. And if you read the labels on bleach or chemical disinfectants they say to avoid contact with the skin. So yes, washing your hands, good. Disenfectant on your hands, per the manufactures warning label, bad.

Remember when Trump stared straight at the sun without any eye protection during the solar eclipse?

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Postby Alan » Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:18 pm

Formidable 1 wrote:Trump Did NOT Say We Should Inject Ourselves With Disinfectant, He Said The Opposite

https://lidblog.com/inject-ourselves-with-disinfectant/


Actually, he did:

"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning? "
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Postby Alan » Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:33 pm

JoshuS wrote:ER Doctors debunk the lies and deceptions of the SCAM/PLANdemia.

Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing
https://youtu.be/xfLVxx_lBLU

Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb6j7o1pLBw&t=9s



Interesting interview. Thanks for sharing that. They make some good points, but I don't see how they can argue about the death rate being similar to the flu. That flies against the evidence.
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Re: Corona Crazy

Postby JoshuS » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:32 pm

Alan wrote:
JoshuS wrote:ER Doctors debunk the lies and deceptions of the SCAM/PLANdemia.

Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing
https://youtu.be/xfLVxx_lBLU

Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb6j7o1pLBw&t=9s



Interesting interview. Thanks for sharing that. They make some good points, but I don't see how they can argue about the death rate being similar to the flu. That flies against the evidence.


What evidence are you referring to - the official "evidence"? If you listened to the whole interview (both clips) you'll see they talk about it. Besides, there are many doctors out there who are now saying that the official "evidence" are over inflated bio statistics, pretty much every death not related to COVID-19 are recorded as such, there is pressure from above (top administration) to do just that, not to talk about the economic incentives they're paying to hospitals for doing just that as well.
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Postby Alan » Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:55 pm

Yes, the official evidence. With all this noise, it's still the best place to go. Unless you want to believe in conspiracies involving hundreds of data takers across the US, in this case.

This source, which compiles government figures, argues that Covid 19 mortality figures are being undereported as a lot of deaths are being accredited to influenza and pneumonia, disregarding the true nature.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm

Pneumonia and influenza deaths are included to provide context for understanding the completeness of COVID-19 mortality data and related trends. Deaths due to COVID-19 may be misclassified as pneumonia or influenza deaths in the absence of positive test results, and pneumonia or influenza may appear on death certificates as a comorbid condition. Additionally, COVID-19 symptoms can be similar to influenza-like illness, thus deaths may be misclassified as influenza. Thus, increases in pneumonia and influenza deaths may be an indicator of excess COVID-19-related mortality. Additionally, estimates of completeness for pneumonia and influenza deaths may provide context for understanding the lag in reporting for COVID-19 deaths, as it is anticipated that these causes would have similar delays in reporting, processing, and coding.

Some european countries have begun to notice an overall spike in mortality rates, which suggests that covid19 is manifesting itself in different ways.
Did you see the article about how 30 to 40 year olds who are asymptomatic are suffering from strokes?

And while the hospital where the two doctors work in the video seems relatively untouched, we see in other areas how the hospital systems are reaching the breaking point, which we don't see from the common flu. It's clear that there are nodes to the outbreak, possibly do to luck, or planning, or both. When the numbers settle, they might end up eating their words. We'll see.
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Postby gerard » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:37 pm

So what I'm gathering from some of these YouTube clips being bandied about is that this is some sort of social experiment being conducted by apparently most of the world's governments, possibly in cahoots with one another, and with the collusion of 10s of thousands of science and medical professionals, albeit perhaps unwittingly. The aim - some sort of test to see how much restriction populations will take before they get too mad to put up with it any more. Not quite sure why all these governments suddenly need to know that.

Whilst I could at a stretch buy that some politicians facing re-election might fabricate an emergency to somehow affect an election, I'd have thought a more effective method might be to have a relatively large emergency situation that they successfully navigate a country through, rather than appearing nightly with ever more bizarre rants that make them look like idiots.

Also, in the UK Boris Johnson only just won a 5-year term of office with a pretty big majority that meant he could more or less roll anything he wanted through parliament. Why would he want to then lock the population up and spend billions of pounds doing so? Maybe US hospitals are profiting from this, but the NHS certainly isn't.

I have to ask myself which is more likely. Genuine virus, or conspiracy involving hundreds of governments and thousands of professionals for no obvious benefit.

Find me a video of an actual virologist who has analysed a COVID-19 sample. Having the letters MD after your name does not make you qualified to give an opinion on anything other than your own speciality, and thankfully most doctors understand this. Would you want Dr. Andrew Kaufman performing heart surgery on you, for example. After all, he is an MD specialising in psychiatry, so he is just as qualified to do that as he is to express an opinion on COVID-19.
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Postby JoshuS » Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:37 pm

Alan wrote:Yes, the official evidence. With all this noise, it's still the best place to go. Unless you want to believe in conspiracies involving hundreds of data takers across the US, in this case.

This source, which compiles government figures, argues that Covid 19 mortality figures are being undereported as a lot of deaths are being accredited to influenza and pneumonia, disregarding the true nature.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm

Pneumonia and influenza deaths are included to provide context for understanding the completeness of COVID-19 mortality data and related trends. Deaths due to COVID-19 may be misclassified as pneumonia or influenza deaths in the absence of positive test results, and pneumonia or influenza may appear on death certificates as a comorbid condition. Additionally, COVID-19 symptoms can be similar to influenza-like illness, thus deaths may be misclassified as influenza. Thus, increases in pneumonia and influenza deaths may be an indicator of excess COVID-19-related mortality. Additionally, estimates of completeness for pneumonia and influenza deaths may provide context for understanding the lag in reporting for COVID-19 deaths, as it is anticipated that these causes would have similar delays in reporting, processing, and coding.

Some european countries have begun to notice an overall spike in mortality rates, which suggests that covid19 is manifesting itself in different ways.
Did you see the article about how 30 to 40 year olds who are asymptomatic are suffering from strokes?

And while the hospital where the two doctors work in the video seems relatively untouched, we see in other areas how the hospital systems are reaching the breaking point, which we don't see from the common flu. It's clear that there are nodes to the outbreak, possibly do to luck, or planning, or both. When the numbers settle, they might end up eating their words. We'll see.


I don't believe for a second the official story, doesn't matter how official or serious it may sounds, it doesn't to me. The official data is cooked. A lot of doctors and experts virologists from different countries have started to talk questioning the irrationality and lack of real science on the governments' measures. I could post many of these experts but I won't bother, this information can easily be found if one wants to find it.
Sweden is a good example of not drinking the Kool-aid pushed on them.

As for the hospitals reaching the breaking point, that's another lie, lies that without the complicit corporate media wouldn't have a leg to stand on. See video below made by several citizens on the ground comparing corporate news with what's actually happening:

https://youtu.be/5pIMD1enwd4
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Postby Alan » Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:19 pm

Well, actually some hospitals - not all, some - ARE reaching the breaking point. It's pretty well documented and covered by news programs. It's become quite an issue here in Peru, if you are following this country. I agree with you that this isn't a blanket occurence all over the world, or spread evenly within each country...but that could just be luck, strategy, or position on the timeline.

And from Mother Jones -- which is keepin' it real -- an article that brought a smile to my face. Maybe it will for the rest of you, too.


https://www.motherjones.com/coronavirus ... ogist-now/
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Postby noclevername » Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:42 pm

Alan wrote:Well, actually some hospitals - not all, some - ARE reaching the breaking point. It's pretty well documented and covered by news programs. It's become quite an issue here in Peru, if you are following this country. I agree with you that this isn't a blanket occurence all over the world, or spread evenly within each country...but that could just be luck, strategy, or position on the timeline.

Sometimes when I go (or went) someplace, there are lines. Other times, none at all. Sometimes a place is busy, sometimes it's not. Proof that there's a line at any given point in time isn't proof that there's always a line. Proof that that there's no line at a given point in time isn't proof that there never is a line. Both can be true, but extrapolating information from a video made at a certain point of time to suggest that there is always a line, or never a line, is a perfect example of someone with confirmation bias.

I don't doubt the media has an agenda. To sell newspapers, increase viewership, website clicks, higher ratings, etc. - all for the purpose of increasing revenues. The nightly news shows buildings that are on fire, but not when they're not on fire. I'm not surprised at all that they aren't filming hospital entrances when there isn't really anything to report, but are all those people that were filmed waiting on line when there actualy was a line "crisis actors" hired by George Soros or some other nefarious person/organization?

Some hospitals are hit harder than others. If the media are guilty of making it seem that every hospital is overrun, then those who are suggesting this is all a hoax and blown out of proportion are guilty of trying to make it seem that because they've filmed a hospital at a time when nobody is there as proof that this is all made up.

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I'm seeing some balanced coverage, such as this WP piece that reports that some hospitals aren't hit, or haven't been yet, while other nearby hospitals are full with patients being treated in parking lot tents. Not surprisingly, there are underlying reasons why not every hospital is having the same experience, just like sometimes there's a long line at a movie theatre, and a minute after everyone is let in and seated there is no line.

Things aren't all black or all white. There are shades of grey.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pr ... story.html

The intensive care unit at Inova Alexandria Hospital has empty beds, and doctors are prepared for a rush of coronavirus patients that has yet to hit the largely white suburb.

A dozen miles away at Adventist HealthCare Fort Washington Hospital Center, the ICU is full, and employees treat coronavirus patients in medical tents in the parking lot. Paramedics across Prince George’s County are summoned daily to help people struggling to breathe, and funeral home directors are searching for more places to store bodies.


And from Mother Jones -- which is keepin' it real -- an article that brought a smile to my face. Maybe it will for the rest of you, too.


https://www.motherjones.com/coronavirus ... ogist-now/

Good article. Reminded me of something I saw recently:

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Postby noclevername » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:18 pm

gerard wrote:So what I'm gathering from some of these YouTube clips being bandied about is that this is some sort of social experiment being conducted by apparently most of the world's governments, possibly in cahoots with one another, and with the collusion of 10s of thousands of science and medical professionals, albeit perhaps unwittingly. The aim - some sort of test to see how much restriction populations will take before they get too mad to put up with it any more. Not quite sure why all these governments suddenly need to know that.

Whilst I could at a stretch buy that some politicians facing re-election might fabricate an emergency to somehow affect an election, I'd have thought a more effective method might be to have a relatively large emergency situation that they successfully navigate a country through, rather than appearing nightly with ever more bizarre rants that make them look like idiots.

Also, in the UK Boris Johnson only just won a 5-year term of office with a pretty big majority that meant he could more or less roll anything he wanted through parliament. Why would he want to then lock the population up and spend billions of pounds doing so? Maybe US hospitals are profiting from this, but the NHS certainly isn't.

I have to ask myself which is more likely. Genuine virus, or conspiracy involving hundreds of governments and thousands of professionals for no obvious benefit.

Find me a video of an actual virologist who has analysed a COVID-19 sample. Having the letters MD after your name does not make you qualified to give an opinion on anything other than your own speciality, and thankfully most doctors understand this. Would you want Dr. Andrew Kaufman performing heart surgery on you, for example. After all, he is an MD specialising in psychiatry, so he is just as qualified to do that as he is to express an opinion on COVID-19.

This has always been one of my problems with big conspiracy theories. The logic quickly falls apart, as the examples you gave show.

Another problem I have with the really big, involved, intricate conspiracy theories is the fact that people talk. Secrets between two people more often than not get spread to at least one other person, usually more, yet we're asked to believe that in intricate conspiracies involving thousands that everyone involved keeps their mouths shut? Not just the high up elites who plan out the conspiracy, but the little guys who dig the holes, plant the explosives, and all of the other blue collar dirty work that's involved. Even if they're not let in on the grand plan, some guy, just one, who was part of whatever crew was contracted/ordered to plant explosives in the World Trade Center buildings or Pentagon (for example) would never talk?

Another problem is that it's usually the same people who believe that big government is completely incompetent and incapable of doing anything right that believe in these massive conspiracy theories that, if true, would require intricate planning and execution by the same people they feel are incompetent. In the case of a coronavirus conspiracy theory that would be expanded to involve governments (and all of their respective inefficient and incompent bureaucracies) from all over the world from countries that are often adversarial toward each other and expect them to get everything just right. Also, I'd think if you're going to let loose a virus to cause a global pandemic you'd have your guys in the lab come up with something nastier than COVID-19. Something with a higher RO number and death rate, like the fictional MEV-1 from the movie 'Contagion.'

I'm not saying I always believe the official stories of events, that there aren't behind the scenes goings on, or that there aren't extremely wealthy individuals and groups who use their wealth and power to manipulate events to suit their needs. I just have problems believing theories whose logic falls apart, where we need to believe that no one involved at any level ever talks, and that require such precise planning and execution.

As far as coronavirus being a plot by the elite, I guess Boris Johnson, Prince Charles, members of the Saudi royal family, etc. who've contracted the virus are no longer in that elite club. Maybe they pissed off some fellow elite who's higher up in the conspiracy?
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Postby noclevername » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:27 pm

From the Financial Times:

Global coronavirus death toll could be 60% higher than reported

Mortality statistics show 122,000 deaths in excess of normal levels across 14 countries analysed by the FT

https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-338 ... 5c6fac846c

Article analyzes increases in overall mortality relative to the historical average for the locations studied and finds deaths far outnumbered the official coronavirus death tolls. The accuracy of official death statistics from the virus is limited by how effectively a country is testing people to confirm cases. As an example, daily death counts in the UK are too low because they only account for hospital deaths.
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Postby JoshuS » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:52 pm

Indeed, this interview with Dr. Buttar debunks all those stupid, non-nonsensical conspiracy theories:

https://londonreal.tv/digital-freedom-p ... id-buttar/
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Postby windsportinperu » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:26 am

One Recomendation :

When the Conversation is about Conspiracy Theory almost always is useless and endless
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Postby noclevername » Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:54 am

windsportinperu wrote:One Recomendation :

When the Conversation is about Conspiracy Theory almost always is useless and endless

Doc Buttar doesn't have the greatest reputation either. After reading up on him I wouldn't let him treat my dog.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashid_Buttar

He came to public attention in 2009 when he used chelation therapy on a woman named Desiree Jennings, who claimed to have lost her ability to walk or talk normally after receiving a flu shot. He has been criticized for his use of chelation, and for his use of intravenous hydrogen peroxide to treat cancer.

In 2007, Buttar was charged by the North Carolina Board of Medical Examiners with unethical treatment of four cancer patients. The panel recommended that Buttar's "license be suspended indefinitely, but that the suspension be immediately stayed". In 2010 the board, in response to this and other concerns, chose to formally reprimand Buttar but allowed him to continue to practice.

I read a summary of the video (hosted by a professional conspiracy theorist, Garry Franchi) and it's claims are pretty out there. When QAnon supports your theory.......

People like Dr. Buttar, Garry Franchi, Alex Jones, et. al. are making money by peddling baseless theories and untested supplements and discredited treatments. It's ironic that those who say “hysteria being perpetuated to scare the world population based on false data.” are themselves using false data and hysteria to scare their audience/customers.

https://www.mediamatters.org/coronaviru ... irus-false

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... orts-truth
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Re: Corona Crazy

Postby 69roadrunner » Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:33 pm

I think you misread the article. It is just more tyranny and denial Constitutional rights.
Maybe you see freedom in tyranny, who knows.
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Postby noclevername » Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:08 pm

I see free dumb or the freedom to be dumb. People contracting this virus and passing it along to others when they don't need to. Probably loved ones and friends who are also ignoring the advice of the experts on how to stay safe and keep your family safe.

Guess it depends if one thinks making a short term sacrifice so they can enjoy their freedoms and lives for a longer period of time is better personal strategy than than short term thinking and voluntarily increasing their (and loved ones, like grandma and grandpa, those with compromised immune systems, etc.) odds of dying from this. Some people are willing to make personal sacrifices for both themselves and the greater good, some aren't. Some are short term thinkers, some long term thinkers. The sacrifices older generations made during WWII to contribute to the war effort comes to mind. Maybe they realized freedom isn't free, and sometimes there's a price to pay whether it's sacrificing your life fighting on the front lines or making the necessary personal sacrifices back home. People seemed to be tougher back then. I find it odd that the protestors are the prepper types. Wouldn't be surprised if they had a years' worth of supplies stashed away, yet they're out risking their lives and the lives of others who they'll come in contact with and those who get sick will putting unneeded stress on the health care system. Just so they can complain about having to make a sacrifice for the greater good. If they're going to complain about something like this when they're prepared to wait this out, what would they do in a tougher situation? Snowflakes.

People just have different opinions on sacrifice, tyranny, etc.. People are going to do what they do. Actions have consequences. Some places are going to have to deal with this pandemic longer because of their actions. Other places, like New Zealand, are starting to get back to normal and with minimal loss of life because they took this situation seriously. I guess they're the type of people who'd rather do what's necessary to most quickly end a bad situation instead of dragging it out. Time will tell in a situation that's really just starting and with so much still unknown. Hopefully it's not like the pandemic of 1918 with it's far deadlier second wave.
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Postby noclevername » Tue May 05, 2020 3:18 pm

This guy 'kept to himself' - practiced social distancing before coronavirus existed. Along comes coronavirus - 'The gubmint can't tell me I have to keep away from other people.'

http://www.reporterherald.com/2020/05/0 ... o-himself/

When a special agent asked whether the bombs contained smokeless powder or black powder, Bunn reportedly said, “I don’t know. I’m a dumbass with this. I don’t know.”

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You'd think the protesting "reopeners" would be in favor of anything that actually helped to reopen things, such as a vaccine.

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/02/us/an ... tests.html

“One of the things that we’re finding is that the rhetoric is pretty similar between the anti-vaxxers and those demanding to reopen,” said Dr. Rupali J. Limaye, who studies behavior around vaccines at Johns Hopkins University. “What we hear a lot of is ‘individual self management’ — this idea that they should be in control of making decisions, that they can decide what science is correct and incorrect, and that they know what’s best for their child.”

I guess it makes sense in a way to anti-vaxxers and fans of Trump, Bolsonaro, and other leaders who compare COVID-19 to the flu: IF COVID-19 is just the flu, and IF flu vaccinations are bad, THEN vaccinations against COVID-19 are also bad.
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noclevername wrote: IF COVID-19 is just the flu, and IF flu vaccinations are bad, THEN vaccinations against COVID-19 are also bad.
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Postby 69roadrunner » Wed May 06, 2020 12:52 pm

Don't forget those that spend years memorizing a few lines, singing and dancing, shuckin' and jivin', threatening to leave the US like Cher, Robert De Niro, Madonna and the other Hollywood elites.
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Postby 69roadrunner » Wed May 06, 2020 4:36 pm

noclevername wrote:Guy on the internet: "Bullshit"

I was wondering........is he talking about you or himself?
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Postby noclevername » Wed May 06, 2020 6:37 pm

A good conspiracy theory turns the believer into a hero, a warrior with secret knowledge that none of the other ignorant “sheeple” know, against powerful forces arrayed against him. A good conspiracy theory almost always has a part at the end in which the “people” (in this case, the people believing the conspiracy theory) “wake up” and see what is being “suppressed” by the powerful forces seeking to keep them ignorant. Conspiracy theories like this both make the believer feel special and brave for having secret knowledge and fighting to make it public, but also provide an explanation for bad things happening in the world. Yes, the conspiracy theory in Plandemic is utterly ridiculous to those of us who know science, medicine, and history, but most people don’t know the relevant science, medicine, and history. To them, it sounds plausible.

respectfulinsolence.com/2020/05/06/judy-mikovits-pandemic/
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Postby 69roadrunner » Fri May 08, 2020 10:28 am

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noclevername wrote: IF COVID-19 is just the flu, and IF flu vaccinations are bad, THEN vaccinations against COVID-19 are also bad.
Stop! Facts and logic do not concern us here


Boy you sure got that right. With all these draconian measures and economies shut down it is like throwing the baby out with the bath water.
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Postby noclevername » Fri May 08, 2020 10:59 am

69roadrunner wrote:Don't forget those that spend years memorizing a few lines, singing and dancing, shuckin' and jivin', threatening to leave the US like Cher, Robert De Niro, Madonna and the other Hollywood elites.

I hear you. If I had a S/. 10 note everytime I heard someone threaten to leave the US if (Bush, Obama, Clinton, Trump, et. al.) is elected/re-elected but never did anything once it actually happened I'd have a lot of extra S/. 10 notes. I've heard that since Reagan got elected and in every election since and not just from Hollywood elites. Few ever follow through and take actions to leave the situations they complain about for someplace they find better. Some people would just rather sing, dance, shuck, jive, and complain than take actions that aren't really all that hard if they were serious about their complaints.

Kind of reminds me of some expats here in Peru who complain about Peru not doing things like they do in their home country, just complain about Peru in general, or how they don't like how it's President leads during a crisis. Like all those who threaten to leave the US but never do, it's all just talk. They never take actions that wouldn't be so difficult for them to do to walk away and leave behind what they consider and claim to be a bad situation, or do anything but sing, dance, shuck, jive, and complain. I'm not talking about people who make minor complaints, like about crazy traffic, cutting in line, etc.. Everybody's got those little pet peeves. I'm talking more complaints about major issues, like how the country is run; esp. now during this crisis. If they talk like it's not a democracy, more an autocracy, doesn't make sense to me why they'd want to stick around once the (mostly global) travel restrictions get lifted and people are free to come and go. If I thought the country I was living in was an autocracy I'd be out of there as soon as possible. Life's too short and there are far too many options to put up with something that distasteful. Even people who are flat broke flee bad situations for other countries, so there's really no excuse not to.

Some people just like to complain. More understandable if they're not a Hollywood elite or an expat who's obviously willing to move from one country to another if they don't like where they are. If they don't like the situation where they are they obviously have what it takes to leave their easy comfort zone for someplace they find more preferable whether they're Cher, De Niro, Madonna, or just an expat living on a pension who's already left at least one country behind.
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Postby 69roadrunner » Fri May 08, 2020 1:57 pm

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69roadrunner wrote:Don't forget those that spend years memorizing a few lines, singing and dancing, shuckin' and jivin', threatening to leave the US like Cher, Robert De Niro, Madonna and the other Hollywood elites.

If I had a S/. 10 note everytime I heard someone threaten to leave the US if (Bush, Obama, Clinton, Trump, et. al.) is elected/re-elected but never did anything once it actually happened I'd have a lot of extra S/. 10 notes. I've heard that since Reagan got elected


The ones I named are not just "someone" they are held up as authorities/experts/elites in the media. I would wager you will not find one person, the media held up as an authority/expert/elite, that has every threatened to leave ones own country if Bush, Obama, Clinton, et al were elected. Not too many soles there, I would wager.
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Postby noclevername » Tue May 12, 2020 12:53 pm

I don't know who's holding Cher/Madonna/DeNiro up as authorities/experts, but lol at anyone who holds up (or accepts) an entertainer as expert/authority in anything but entertaining. Famous people always get their opinions/views publicized if they want, whether they're Madonna, DeNiro, Jon Voight or draft-dodging Ted Nugent.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-artful-dodger/

There are exceptions of course. Brian May of Queen has a PhD in astrophysics and is well regarded in that field. Jeff "Skunk" Baxter is a defense industry consultant, specializing in missile technology. There are others.
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Postby noclevername » Tue May 12, 2020 12:55 pm

Attend mass gatherings at your own risk, the risk of your loved ones, and the risk of complete strangers you may encounter while at the bank, shopping, etc..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 09486.html

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Postby noclevername » Thu May 14, 2020 11:21 pm

‘No Gubmint!!!’

*Small Disorder Erupts*

‘SAVE US, GUBMINT!!!’

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Postby Alan » Fri May 15, 2020 12:08 pm

"But as the coronavirus quarantine nears two months, the urge to clown around by some is perhaps understandable."

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Then why did you?
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Postby noclevername » Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:47 pm

It's all just a hoax, but if you want to go to the upcoming Trump rally you need to sign a waver that says you won't sue Trump if you contract COVID-19 while attending the rally. lol. Is Trump overreacting to what he's called, and many of his followers believe is only a hoax? Paranoid that his followers will contract an imaginary disease and sue? Afraid that despite what he's said in the past about it being a hoax and then downplaying the whole thing that COVID-19 is actually a real virus.

I bet the loyal followers who want to attend will not even notice that the whole idea of a waiver completely contradicts their belief that's it all just a hoax, won't hold Trump accountable for caving in to what they're describing as only being a hoax, and happily sign. I'm guessing they'll come up with some way to rationalize the conflicting logic that likely includes some combination of the words; deep state, fake news, hoax, Obama/Biden/Hilary.

No suggestions from Trump or the campaign to wear a mask or take other precautions to prevent contracting COVID-19, just a legally binding (?) waiver that says you can't sue him if you do contract COVID-19. All that matters to him is that he gets his large, packed in, adulating crowd to stroke his ego. I'm also guessing that though he has no problem with his followers packed in tight, he won't dare venture out to shake hands or get within a few meters of any of those followers out of fear/reasonable caution that he doesn't contract the virus/hoax/imaginary disease. It amazes me that his followers actually believe that he cares about them. All he wants from them are their visible demonstrations of their love and devotion for him. The imagery of a rally packed tight with supporters is far more important to him than their health - just know that you can't sue him if you get the hoax disease.

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Postby 69roadrunner » Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:35 am

Maybe this rally will finally shut up the whiners when no one drops dead. Trump ain't stupid, he knows, after all that has been attempted to bring him down and all that has been thrown at him for 4 years, there is the possibility of ringers being thrown in (from who knows where, lol) with a virus and claim Donald gave it to them.
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Postby noclevername » Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:52 pm

69roadrunner wrote:Maybe this rally will finally shut up the whiners when no one drops dead. Trump ain't stupid, he knows, after all that has been attempted to bring him down and all that has been thrown at him for 4 years, there is the possibility of ringers being thrown in (from who knows where, lol) with a virus and claim Donald gave it to them.
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What virus are you referring to? I thought it was a hoax, no? An imaginary disease.

And how is that there can be 'ringers with the virus' at the rally, yet anyone who's going to attend the packed indoor rally where few will likely be wearing masks and aren't so-called ringers will somehow be immune to the virus you say the ringers will be bringing with them? What's the science behind that and are there cold hard numbers to back that up?

And what of the need to even make attendees sign a waiver if the virus doesn't exist - ringers aside? Why not take it out on Trump for flip-flopping and being such an afraid paranoid wimp for making attendees sign a waiver in the first place?

A hoax virus that only "ringers" are suceptible to and that Trump is afraid enough of to make everyone attending sign a waiver stating they can't sue him for liability if they catch this imaginary hoax virus from the ringers, and the loyal followers don't see the need to question their Dear Leader why he needs legal protection from a hoax in the first place. Makes perfect sense.

Somewhat related - what are your thoughts on QAnon? So far out there that even run of the mill conspiracy theorists think they're wacko, or visionaries?

These are rhetorical questions really. I know you're just trolling about all of this. All good fun though.
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Postby Alan » Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:32 pm

I am reminded of a tick toc I saw recently. It was a faux minister of health making announcements about the loosening of Covid19 restrictions. The hook of the joke was that the restrictions would be lifted in parts, and the first people who would be free to go outside would be fans of Reggaeton music, etc. He ended up naming 4 or 5 categories of people he didn't like who would be freed from the restraint.

As for the rest, he encouraged them to stay at home.
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Postby Alan » Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:34 pm

Here is a sobering chart: https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2637725/

The world could also do with some swimming lessons, it seems.
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Postby noclevername » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:42 pm

That chart was interesting. I was kind of surprised at the number of drownings. Terrorism second from the bottom.

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