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¿Crisis política?

Postby noclevername » Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:13 pm

Anyone who has been here for the past four years or has otherwise paid attention knows that since the last presidential election Perú's had four impeachments and is on the third President. Seems the people aren't happy about this most recent crisis, yet the people voted for the Congresistas who are responsible for this coup-d'tat/golpe de Estado (as some are calling this). I've heard talk about a general strike, but some are saying this would make the situation worse since the military would step in - and there goes democracy.

So what's the deal?

Perú, which used to look relatively stable compared to other Latin American countries, now looks to be unstable. What does the future hold? Inflation? Pulling out of capital and investment? What will the coming election look like? At the voting booth will the people punish those responsible for this latest drama? Will Perú swing to a more (Latin American style, not European) left, populist, socialist/communist direction? Is the best thing for a longer term stability to simply live with Merino until the next election or for the people to continue with protests and step up the pressure signifying a complete lack of confidence? Will the Merino government have any power or just be considered lame duck placeholders till the next election? What are the other options and possibilities? Should the Constitution be reformed to make the whole impeachment process more accountable requiring a trial where evidence is presented and deliberated upon?

How, if at all, is any or all of this changing your opinion and attitude of Perú? Are you feeling like Perú is regressing and things are going in the wrong direction, or do you feel this is just more of 'same as it ever was' and nothing to really be alarmed at all about? Maybe you think all of this is actually a good thing, perhaps another step in rooting out corrupt politicians and corruption in general?

Is this all just a temporary small bump/hiccup and Perú looks to have a bright potential future, or is this a sign that things are going to get worse?


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Re: ¿Crisis política?

Postby windsportinperu » Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:20 pm

Hello,

It is just a Political Instability , non Economical . No Inflation, Investment will not stop (I mean Mining, Construction, Fishery, etc) but Future Investment Plans could consider this new situation as a new variable

In about 5 Months will be new Elections

The Impeachment was totally unnecessary, so I do not agree with this , but Vizcarra didn’t fight back . He stepped back . It is good to see People gathering in the Downtown, saying to the Congress that they do not agree with them. If I could , I would be there too, with them

The good solution could have been to let Vizcarra ended his Mandate, and then will prove he is not guilty (or guilty) of his accusations

If we compare the Regional Political Situation, Peru is at the top of Stability, comparing with the Rest of the Countries, because the Country has a lot of Solid Institutions and Organizations. Both in the Private and Public Sector

95% or more of Peruvians are far away from Socialism or Comunism. My forecast is that the next Government will be a mixture of multiple parties. There will be no Political Power onto 1 Party actually

The mind of Young Peruvians is opposite to Young Chileans/Argentinians. Socialism has always been part of the ideology in Chile and Argentina, but Peru has another point of view. People no matter they are poor or rich, are always in the search of self-determination and self-enterprice . Even informality is good for Peru . In Sum, Peru and Peruvians are resilent people who are always in search of their own economic prosperity

The Army including Police do not agree with this "vacancia"

I think that the Congress is a group of incompetent people. As bad as the last one
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Postby alan » Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:49 pm

I don't think people will take to the streets to protest in large enough numbers to make any difference at all. Besides, there are enough influencial leaders of opionion who think the impeachment was a good idea to water down the indignation. After all, you hardly see anyone beating their casserole pan at the window at the appointed time now, so it's a stretch to think they are going to take the extra step and demostrate downtown. I feel a sense of malaise and fatigue in the air - not anger.

This impeachement is a setback that Peruvians will pay for financially as country risk bumps up, and the Sol drops. Personally, I think you can trace this particular crisis back to Keiko's unwillingness to collaborate with PPK's government, as well as the self-serving motivation of many (but not all) politicians.
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Postby windsportinperu » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:08 pm

Alan,

A lot of Manifestations are across the Country. Tarapoto, Cusco, Arequipa, Piura, Lima, etc.

There was a "cacerolazo" at 8:00 pm, and was listened in almost every corner of Lima

OEA has said that this new President is not really legal and T.C. Tribunal Constitucional has the last "decisions"

No other President of Latin America , with the exception of Paraguay has sent congratulations to Merino

It all seem to be that Merino, will not even last 5 months as "new president"
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Postby 69roadrunner » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:05 am

I'm packing my bags but I can't get a plane, even if I could, things are not going to be much better in the US.
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Re: ¿Crisis política?

Postby windsportinperu » Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:50 pm

69road,

Why so much panic ?
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Postby noclevername » Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:02 pm

I'm not panicking, but I am researching options. Not just about living here, but my whole way of earning a living.

I'm not happy about the fact that per capita Peru has the worst record on COVID. I work in international tourism and this fact does not bode well for making people feel comfortable to return. Machu Picchu will always be here so I don't see potential tourists rushing to get here as soon as the border is open if Peru is the absolute worst country in the world when it comes to dealing with the pandemic.

I agree with Alan when he says "This impeachement is a setback that Peruvians will pay for financially as country risk bumps up, and the Sol drops." The Sol has been dropping since before this, and inflation has been creeping up. I don't think political instability does anything to reverse that and likely accelerates the economic problems.

It's starting to look like it's going to be advantageous to earn in US dollars/Euros instead of local (S. American) currencies. That's a lot harder for me to do here, even when international tourism makes a full comeback. Time (for me) to seriously consider changing things up. Earn dollars/Euros, live in S. America, take advantage of the changing exchange rate and weak economies. I'm not happy about doing that, but I'd be less happy not earning sufficiently to support my family and living somewhere that's increasingly unstable.
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Re: ¿Crisis política?

Postby windsportinperu » Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:36 pm

NoClever,

I understand your reasons, because Tourism has been hit hard

You are not alone in this. All over the World is happening something similar in this sector

I really do not think that high-level-of-death will frigthen people to come to Peru in the future . . . check worldwide data . . on the contrary, Peru was hit fast and strong , but data is saying that similar scenario is happening in another countries in the region. . .

Tourism will recover in the next months, but probably takes until end of 2021 to recover some of its glorious past
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Postby noclevername » Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:20 pm

I'm aware that other countries in the region (and elsewhere) are also having their struggles, but the fact is that at this moment in time Peru, per capita, is the absolute worst. Bottom of the list. A friend of mine whose next international trip was going to be to Peru has postponed his trip indefinitly and moved other international destinations further up on his list. I'd imagine this is all subject to change as the situation changes, but I don't see Peru going from worst to first as far as succesfully handling the pandemic.

I think as long as Peru is at or near the bottom it will have a negative effect on international tourism; assuming the borders are again open. Clients I speak with are less pessimistic and aren't thinking 'a few months' to recover. Closer to your end of 2021 prediction, and nobody is speaking with any amount of certainty. A lot of 'maybe' and 'we'll see.' But I also think many other countries will be facing these same problems in the following year, so it's not like there are many examples of many other countries that are going to do better. I'm imaging the countries that do have a handle on the virus (like New Zealand) probably aren't in any hurry to open their borders to travelers from all over the world. International tourism and all of it's ancillary industries are going to be hurting for the next year - minimum.
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Re: ¿Crisis política?

Postby windsportinperu » Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:44 pm

NoClever,

is the death-per-millions habitants important for someone who wants to come to Peru ?

Probably right now, but not in the next future. In 6 or 12 months everyone , including me will forget that data

I think that our perspectives (as humans) change rapidly once the sceneraios changes . I mean Peru have past through the "olla caliente" I do not know how to say it in colloquial english words, but it means that the worst is already gone. 50% of infected people is very high , just for Lima

In some more months Tourism will not check those data anymore. They will be interested in the Country as a good safe , interesting and probably economic destination to travel to. The last data is saying that Peru is dropping fast in both the infected-people and the death-people

All I can say is that there is no real solid reason to think that Peru will not recover its past glory in Tourism
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Postby noclevername » Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:05 pm

"is the death-per-millions habitants important for someone who wants to come to Peru ?"

Probably not in the long run when the virus has been completely eradicated, but when countries first start opening up their borders and try to get international tourists to return I think it will be important and given the option of going to Peru (if it's still at the bottom of the list) and a country who is handling the pandemic better, they will chose the safer option (if they choose any at all).

I agree with your assessment that memory is short, but not with your assessment that the "olla caliente" has passed. We don't know that. There's no guarantee that things won't get worse than they are now. Look at what's happening in the US right now. Things are getting worse, not better. Records of being broken as far as numbers of cases and daily deaths. Same with Europe who a few months ago seemed to have the situation under control but who are now seeing increased cases. There's no reason to believe that like the US and Europe, Peru won't be subject to another wave, and that wave may be worse than anything that's come before. Until this pandemic has passed there's no way of accurately and responsibly saying 'the worst has passed.'

As long as Peru is at, or nearer the bottom when compared to other countries, those countries that are at or nearer the top will see their economies rebound faster and will also see a faster return of their international tourism industry. Trump tried the optimistic talk in his country, but it doesn't work on anyone but those who are predetermined to believe anything he says. Everyone else is adjusting their behaviour to what's really going on and doing what they have to to stay safe, no matter how optimistically politicians or a country's citizens are talking up their country.
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Re: ¿Crisis política?

Postby windsportinperu » Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:04 pm

First Massive and Peaceful Demostration in Lima, Arequipa, Pasco, Chiclayo, Piura, Juliaca, Trujillo, etc

Was big, was peaceful , was unanimous

Both The Police and The young People have had a good performance , No violence and no destruction of public or private property

The Fake President is alone with a bunch of Congressmen . . . Zero demostration in the Country supporting this Coup d' Etat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U892cPx4Vms
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Postby alan » Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:56 am

windsportinperu wrote:First Massive and Peaceful Demostration in Lima, Arequipa, Pasco, Chiclayo, Piura, Juliaca, Trujillo, etc

Was big, was peaceful , was unanimous

Both The Police and The young People have had a good performance , No violence and no destruction of public or private property

The Fake President is alone with a bunch of Congressmen . . . Zero demostration in the Country supporting this Coup d' Etat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U892cPx4Vms


Not so peaceful downtown last night. The police seemed to be pretty heavy handed (scared and scattered) from what I could see on the news. The demonstrators here are learning lessons from Chile, I read this morning in the newspaper. One of the strategies is to convoke at multiple points.

Frankly, the more I learn about the behaviour of this Congress, the more distressed I feel.
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Postby FDiH » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:14 pm

This https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Peruvian_protests explains it quite well.

What is concerning is that the international media see the change of power as a coup. Anyone who is invested in the future of Peru should be concerned. I certainly am.

The fact that police, including units of Terna, are arresting protesters and even their lawyers is concerning. It is also the reason why this has gotten quite a bit of international media attention. The bigger the police force > larger the protests > more media attention. It seems that Peru (Government) has not learned from recent protests in Latam and elsewhere. Violence leads to nowhere.

Note of caution for all expats, if you are not a citizen but a resident (worker), you can be deported for participating in protests.
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Postby 69roadrunner » Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:48 pm

alan wrote:
windsportinperu wrote:First Massive and Peaceful Demostration in Lima, Arequipa, Pasco, Chiclayo, Piura, Juliaca, Trujillo, etc

Was big, was peaceful , was unanimous

Both The Police and The young People have had a good performance , No violence and no destruction of public or private property

The Fake President is alone with a bunch of Congressmen . . . Zero demostration in the Country supporting this Coup d' Etat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U892cPx4Vms


Not so peaceful downtown last night. The police seemed to be pretty heavy handed (scared and scattered) from what I could see on the news. The demonstrators here are learning lessons from Chile, I read this morning in the newspaper. One of the strategies is to convoke at multiple points.

Frankly, the more I learn about the behaviour of this Congress, the more distressed I feel.

I think that is simply the way he sees it, looking through those rose colored glasses he always wears.
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Postby noclevername » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:55 pm

I don't consider it to be peaceful or a good performance when the cops fire tear gas at people who are rightfully concerned about this situation and show their concern by marching with signs and honking horns.
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Postby windsportinperu » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:47 pm

Alan & NoCleverName

Take a look at the timeline . .. Unfortunately the news of some violence came after this , the next morning (today)
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Postby windsportinperu » Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:09 pm

These answers given by Vizcarra to some Journalists in the Streets of Lima are very interesting to know

https://youtu.be/dlN6z8tczB8
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Postby alan » Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:58 am

windsportinperu wrote:Alan & NoCleverName

Take a look at the timeline . .. Unfortunately the news of some violence came after this , the next morning (today)


Fair enough. What we have also learned is that the government expressly tried to suppress news about the demonstrations, leading to the resignation of the news director at channel 7, the government channel.

https://www.apnoticias.pe/peru/trome/pe ... ntra-20605.
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Postby alan » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:21 am

FDiH wrote:This https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Peruvian_protests explains it quite well.

Note of caution for all expats, if you are not a citizen but a resident (worker), you can be deported for participating in protests.


This is worth highlighting, just in case anybody missed it the first time. That said, it seems kind of unlikely that an expat will be kicked out for participating in a peaceful demonstration. But, it brings up an interesting philosophical question. Should foreigners be allowed to demonstrate in cases like this? Or should they leave the issue to the citizens? When you think about your answer, consider whether you would apply the same standard back in the country of your citizenship.

For example, we all know expats with Carnets, Peruvian families, years living here and with Peruvian business and real estate investments. They pay taxes and contribute to the welfare of the country. They have a stake in what happens here and so feel they should have a right to express their view. Yet, on the other hand, they are still guests in the country, until they take citizenship here and lose some of the protection they receive from their country of origin.

Remember that in Peru there have been cases (not the case now) where foreigners have come in to the country with the express purpose of violently disrupting the system (think Lori Berenson, for example).


Any thoughts?
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Postby noclevername » Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:15 pm

Thanks for highlighting FDiH's reminder and thanks to FDiH for mentioning it.

Theoretically I think anybody should be allowed to express their opinion anywhere. I don't see why citizenship should be a requirement to express your opinion. That said, I wouldn't expect that argument to get an expat without citizenship out of a situation where they're being detained and possibly deported.

I'd apply that same standard to my home country. Doesn't bother me at all to see non-citizens engaged in protests, be it on a domestic issue (Black Lives Matter, anti-war protests, etc.) or something more directly related to their own situation (i.e., a protest for immigrant's rights).

Most protestors understand the risks involved in protesting, esp. the type of protestor who takes actions that go beyond marching with a sign such as Lori Berenson. If you go up against the govt. don't be surprised when the govt. considers you to be an enemy of the state and treats you accordingly. I'd also consider how democratic or oppressive the govt. is before protesting if it meant risking my status as a resident and what my risk tolerance is. The more oppressive the government, the worthy of being protested, but the greater the risk to a protestor. Am I married with children, own property, own a business or have a career type of job I depend on, would deportation have a major negative effect on my life? Am I young, single, more politically active than most, in country for reasons other than work?
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Postby windsportinperu » Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:45 am

Argentinian Expat in Peru helping to tear down this Fake Government

His love and Loyalty for Peru is bigger than his fears

https://youtu.be/HzLg-6KPnxg
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Postby windsportinperu » Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:04 am

alan wrote:

For example, we all know expats with Carnets, Peruvian families, years living here and with Peruvian business and real estate investments. They pay taxes and contribute to the welfare of the country. They have a stake in what happens here and so feel they should have a right to express their view. Yet, on the other hand, they are still guests in the country, until they take citizenship here and lose some of the protection they receive from their country of origin



I think most peruvian will agree with you and your ideas.

An Expat living in Peru has all the right to participate as a active member in this Demostration . .

As long as they are not on the "First Battle LIne" where could be arrested . .
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windsportinperu wrote:
An Expat living in Peru has all the right to participate as a active member in this Demostration . .


And just where, in Peruvian immigration law, is that stated? Seems FDiH stated the opposite with Alan agreeing.
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Postby windsportinperu » Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:17 am

69road,

You are refering to "Legal Right" vs simply "Right" that I am talking about

They re 2 different stages . . .

How are you helping to Peru in this Politcal Crisis ?
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Postby 69roadrunner » Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:53 am

Oh so now you are calling it a crisis?
I will help out by obeying and following all Peruvian laws.
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Postby windsportinperu » Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:32 am

69road,

Yes, it began with a Political Instability that has created a Political Crisis
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Postby 69roadrunner » Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:40 am

Just wanted to make sure I understood you correctly, you understand it is a crisis and not political instability, as you stated in earlier posts.
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Postby windsportinperu » Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:52 am

69road,

I know how your mind works . All you want is to stir concepts and this way you try to invest your time in useless conversation

It is not my style, so you have chosen the wrong person

I am here for helping out in conversation and information to this Forum

Alan: I know the above is not the best response, but hope it will not be deleted
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Postby 69roadrunner » Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:57 am

Sorry I asked for clarification. Don't want to misunderstand you.
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Postby windsportinperu » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:00 am

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Postby samthesham » Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:32 pm

windsportinperu wrote:

I know how your mind works



Adept at psychoanalysis?
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alan wrote:I don't think people will take to the streets to protest in large enough numbers to make any difference at all. Besides, there are enough influencial leaders of opionion who think the impeachment was a good idea to water down the indignation. After all, you hardly see anyone beating their casserole pan at the window at the appointed time now, so it's a stretch to think they are going to take the extra step and demostrate downtown. I feel a sense of malaise and fatigue in the air - not anger.

This impeachement is a setback that Peruvians will pay for financially as country risk bumps up, and the Sol drops. Personally, I think you can trace this particular crisis back to Keiko's unwillingness to collaborate with PPK's government, as well as the self-serving motivation of many (but not all) politicians.



Certainly no one is the owner of the truth, or a crytal ball for that matter. I looked back at what I wrote only last week, and man! it's like we have woken up in another universe. Turns out there was a lot of pent up frustration - probably compounded by 6 months of house arrest - that bubbled up and over. It's incredible, and sad.
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Postby noclevername » Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:01 pm

alan wrote:
alan wrote:I don't think people will take to the streets to protest in large enough numbers to make any difference at all. Besides, there are enough influencial leaders of opionion who think the impeachment was a good idea to water down the indignation. After all, you hardly see anyone beating their casserole pan at the window at the appointed time now, so it's a stretch to think they are going to take the extra step and demostrate downtown. I feel a sense of malaise and fatigue in the air - not anger.

This impeachement is a setback that Peruvians will pay for financially as country risk bumps up, and the Sol drops. Personally, I think you can trace this particular crisis back to Keiko's unwillingness to collaborate with PPK's government, as well as the self-serving motivation of many (but not all) politicians.



Certainly no one is the owner of the truth, or a crytal ball for that matter. I looked back at what I wrote only last week, and man! it's like we have woken up in another universe. Turns out there was a lot of pent up frustration - probably compounded by 6 months of house arrest - that bubbled up and over. It's incredible, and sad.

A few days ago I was thinking similarly and that the protests were a way for people to blow off steam but Merino & Co. would just wait it out and things would calm down. Guess the two deaths took things to the next level.

It is sad in that Peru has to deal with levels of instability it hasn't seen in a while, but incredible in knowing that a large group of people can affect change against a government they believe has no legitimacy. Thinking more long term, I'm fine with what's happening. Small changes aren't enough to make the kind and magnitude of changes that are often necessary when dealing with large institutional problems. I'm also inspired to see so many young people actively involved as opposed to be apathetic. Of course there's no guarantee that any of this will lead to actual long lasting changes for the better. I wouldn't be surprised to see all the people active now to return the majority of their attentions to Tik-Tok, Facebook, and Futbol.

In the meantime we all watch the increasing political and economic instability as the currency continues to drop along with the markets.

It's an interesting time to be alive.
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Re: ¿Crisis política?

Postby windsportinperu » Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:51 pm

windsportinperu wrote:
It all seem to be that Merino, will not even last 5 months as "new president"


I think I was lucky to predict this some days ago
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Postby windsportinperu » Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:54 pm

noclevername wrote: . . . Thinking more long term, I'm fine with what's happening. . .


It is a good and positive attitude

There is a saying that you probably has heard before

"Peru es mas Grande que sus Problemas"
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Re: ¿Crisis política?

Postby alan » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:12 pm

And boom...just like that, we have a new interim president and a new president of congress. Regardless of your political leanings, it's pretty clear that both have integrity and seem well prepared for the job ahead of them.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/st ... new-leader

https://elcomercio.pe/politica/quien-es ... l-noticia/

I have to say that Partido Morado sounds wayyy better in Spanish than in English... the "Purple Party"... :lol: :lol:
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Re: ¿Crisis política?

Postby FDiH » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:10 am

Purple in politics usually means a mixture of socialists (red) and liberals (blue). In the Netherlands we had a "Purple cabinet" for 2 terms which was quite successful.

The Purple Party in Peru however seems to lean more towards the left. Hopefully it is the fresh wind that Peruvian politics so desperately needs.
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Re: ¿Crisis política?

Postby 69roadrunner » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:27 am

Successful in what way? Interesting, aren't socialists in liberals on the same side of the spectrum? What are the colors for conservatism and capitalism.
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Re: ¿Crisis política?

Postby alan » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:29 pm

69roadrunner wrote:Successful in what way? Interesting, aren't socialists in liberals on the same side of the spectrum? What are the colors for conservatism and capitalism.


FDiH is using term "liberal" in the European (and the original) sense, so in this case it does refer to conservatism and capitalism. (And thanks for that, FDiH... I had no idea where that name came from. It no longer seems silly).

Regarding Peru's own purple party, Wiki says: The Purple Party (Spanish: Partido Morado) is a centrist, liberal and progressive Peruvian political party. The color purple was chosen to represent the blending of red and blue, the colors of right and left wing parties in Peru, symbolizing the centrist ideology of the party
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Re: ¿Crisis política?

Postby 69roadrunner » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:11 pm

Obviously, he is using liberal in the European sense, being from Europe as he is.
My question to FDiH is and sorry for having to repeat myself, what are the colors for conservatism and capitalism, the opposite side of the spectrum.
Socialism is known as the left side ie liberal and not just in Europe.
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Re: ¿Crisis política?

Postby FDiH » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:01 pm

In Holland we have a multi party cabinet and government. This article on Wikipedia explains it well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_(government)

Purple as a reference in politics is often used when opposite parties e.g. socialists and liberal democrats form a government/cabinet.
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Re: ¿Crisis política?

Postby alan » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:41 pm

FDiH wrote:Purple as a reference in politics is often used when opposite parties e.g. socialists and liberal democrats form a government/cabinet.


So, red, blue. What is lacking in Peruvian politics is green, at least so far.

Further to that, Sagasti has made efforts to distance himself from his party, which is smart and ethical. He was to be on the ticket as Vice President next April, but he's stepped aside to avoid any conflict of interest. Smart to appoint a woman as First Minister, too, though this office is a much bigger job than any she's had before. Judging by her curriculum, she seems to be a centrist with a history of working for social causes. The cabinet is plural, and the Minister of Economy (Waldo Mendoza) has background and credibility. Pilar Mazetti is back as Minister of Health, will be well received, thanks to her experience managing the Covid crisis. Let's all keep our fingers crossed :)





https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violeta_Berm%C3%BAdez
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Re: ¿Crisis política?

Postby noclevername » Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:01 pm

Calm is okay, I guess, though I'm not really seeing the future of the country lying in the hands of yet another old man, World Bank stooge. At least Sagasti seems to have a realistic outlook on the situation. Seems he'd be good as anyone else to keep things afloat until the next election, which should be interesting if the youth maintain their current interest and don't follow the typical to youth pattern of being politically apathetic.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-peru ... SKBN27Z1EJ
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Re: ¿Crisis política?

Postby alan » Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:42 pm

When you consider that the average age of Peru is around 25 years old, the party that can capture their imagination will have a real advantage. Veronica is going to be very strong. She's young, not from Lima (but can speak "limanean" when she wants, besides Quechua). She'll eat Forsyth for breakfast in a debate, and I don't know if Guzman can run fast enough to catch her, despite his training. But who really knows. A lot can happen in 5 months.
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Re: ¿Crisis política?

Postby windsportinperu » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:10 pm

Alan,

Veronica could be good, but she has always been supporting indirectly to Chavismo and Maduro

https://youtu.be/yJF1xSw-dbc
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Re: ¿Crisis política?

Postby noclevername » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:15 pm

I know people who fear a Veronica presidency. My initial gut feeling is to be in favor of her, but I'm not afraid of Socialism. These people are thinking more of Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales, and to be honest I don't know enough about Veronica or the situation to say whether her potential Presidency would resemble more of a European Democratic Socialism or S. American autocratic style.

I don't know if these people are like certain Americans who have been conditioned into believing 'Socialism' is a dirty word, one that triggers fear (as intended by the conservative politicians who use it), or if they have a legitimate concern and she'd run the country like Chavez.

I always found it strange that many Americans find certain things to be radical (i.e. universal health care) that Europeans find to be quite normal, logical, and anything but radical.
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Re: ¿Crisis política?

Postby alan » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:23 pm

windsportinperu wrote:Alan,

Veronica could be good, but she has always been supporting indirectly to Chavismo and Maduro

https://youtu.be/yJF1xSw-dbc


Not to mention a second agricultural reform and a reform to the Constitution. But, maybe once into the second round, she'd scale back, just like Humala did. Personally, I don't care that much for her politics, but she's an impressive politician. Both bright and charismatic, she's kept out of the limelight and avoided scandal these past few years.

On the other hand, it looks like Accion Popular (Merino's party), has lost any advantage they had. Acuña has avoided the worst of the storm, but they are weakened, too. But like the adage goes, the only poll that matters is the one they take on election day.

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