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What's Missing?

Postby KenH » Tue May 11, 2010 1:02 pm

What ex-pat food or cuisine is missing there in the Lima area? Or if it's there, it's crap?

For example. I currently live in Venice, Fl. and you'd expect decent Italian food in a place with an Italian name and tens of thousands of Italian-American seasonal visitors. Truth is we have the World's Worst collection of crappy Italian American food places. Also crappy Latin food (only a Taco Bell!), except at the Peruvian owned Latin Market on Saturdays!

What food or cuisine do they just not get right, or get at all there in Lima? What would you like to see? What would you pay good money to eat that you can't get there? I'm not talking franchise food, which is internationally tasteless. What kind of restaurant could I open that would make you happy???


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Re: What's Missing?

Postby Wine Lover » Tue May 11, 2010 1:32 pm

Things are slowly improving gastronomically.

I'd like to see authentic Chinese food broken up into its traditons
Szechuan, Cantonese, Huaiyang and Shandong.I think they just dont get chinese right as its become too Peruvianized.

There's a lot more international styles I'd like to see but without the mass immigration from all of these places it will never happen.

Vietnamese, Ethiopian, Greek, Lebanese, Turkish, Moroccan, Nepalese to name a few

I've had some excellent Pizzas (Punto Italiano) are exactly the same as one would find in Italy. Theyve got that right.

Comida Arabe or Arab Food as they would say here isn't quite right either.

The 2 indian places that have opened are as authentic as they can be given the limited ingredients available here.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby iron butterfly » Tue May 11, 2010 2:44 pm

beans.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby yoenlima » Sun May 16, 2010 11:27 am

Yes, I'd say mexican. Having lived in California and used to some of the best mexican food ever, I do miss a good plate of Pozole every so often. Also pizzas, are ok here in Lima, according to my professional pizza taster, my son, but in general, italian food is extremely expensive and not so great (i.e, pastas, seafood dishes, vegetarian dishes, deserts).
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby LauraMH » Sun May 16, 2010 1:09 pm

hands down, without question........THAI FOOD!

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Re: What's Missing?

Postby chane » Sun May 16, 2010 3:40 pm

Vietnamese and Mexican food would be fabulous additions to the Lima cuisine options.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby iskndarbey » Mon May 17, 2010 4:22 pm

There is at least one good Mexican and one decent Tex-Mex place in Lima, although the former (Como Agua Para Chocolate) is very expensive. There's at least one very good Thai restaurant as well, also quite expensive. For decades it was the world's largest city without an Indian restaurant, but now there are two. No Vietnamese as far as I know.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby FHCZ » Tue May 18, 2010 12:23 pm

O' Mei Restaurant advertises Chinese, Thai and Vietnamese food:

http://www.omeiperu.com/

it is on the corner of Av Javier Prado and Av La Molina in La Molina District. Excelent food, although I didn´t try Vietnamese

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Re: What's Missing?

Postby KenH » Wed May 19, 2010 2:05 pm

As a chef I have an inherent distrust of multi-cuisine restaurants. You can do certain styles of Thai well. Or Vietnamese. Or Chinese. But it is almost impossible to do them all well.

What Americans in general call "Mexican food" -- isn't. It's Tex-Mex or Southwestern, but not Mexican. And it's not particularly spicy by itself - that's what salsa are for. Mexican cuisine, for example does not use yellow cheddar cheese; or put a basket of tortilla chips and salsa on your table when you sit down, or serve runny refritos with cheese on top.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby scott » Wed May 19, 2010 4:33 pm

If you are thinking about opening any type of restaurant that serves specialty foods, ie not Peruvian... The logistics/cost of importing items, as well as maintaining reliable, high quality sources of locally available items is a nightmare. Restaurants here have nearly the same first year failure rate as the US, 60%.

My wife and I started a restaurant in 1998. My idea was to cater to tourists and expats, she quickly dashed that hope. If we wanted to succeed we needed to stick to Peruvian food. We did quite well, sold the business to her sister in 2003 and in 2006 she sold off the fixtures and moved to the States.

You need to consider the niche you are trying to carve out and how well it will resonate with Peruvians. Expats will not keep you in business, there are far to few of us. Tourists not going to help you either, they are here to try Peruvian food.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby Kelly » Wed May 19, 2010 9:20 pm

Scott makes very good points.

Taco Bell closed down almost as soon as it opened, because Peruvians didn't like the taste Mexican seasonings. And I remember laughing at the sign in China Wok that said "Now, With More Peruvian Flavor".

I'm in no way implying that your restaurant might serve the kind of 'food' that they serve in fast food joints. ;)

But it does bear considering - Peruvians seem to be slow to catch on to other types of food. I finally convinced my husband to a night out at Chili's - now he won't go to any other restaurant, because he might not like it as much as he liked it there. :?
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby sanbartoloian » Fri May 21, 2010 11:33 am

Variety may be the spice of life but it doesn't seem neccessary to bring coals to New Castle. I love different cuisines but I have to admit that I have to laugh when I think of someone bringing something different to Peru. The chefs and cooks in Peru and imaginative, creative, and I think amazing.

I would encourage anyone to go after a dream but I'd temper it with a question on my part. Why would I want to turn my back on a cuisine I find up paralled in the world?
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby PTTurboe » Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:44 am

Tex-Mex food would be great. Miss that! We have just resorted to making it at home...

As for Chinese - they have GREAT Chinese food in Lima. But, my fiance's family is Chinese/Peruvian so she knows where to order from - or where to go. I eat Chaifa at least twice a week. Awesome!

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Re: What's Missing?

Postby rama0929 » Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:16 pm

scott wrote:If you are thinking about opening any type of restaurant that serves specialty foods, ie not Peruvian... The logistics/cost of importing items, as well as maintaining reliable, high quality sources of locally available items is a nightmare. Restaurants here have nearly the same first year failure rate as the US, 60%.

My wife and I started a restaurant in 1998. My idea was to cater to tourists and expats, she quickly dashed that hope. If we wanted to succeed we needed to stick to Peruvian food. We did quite well, sold the business to her sister in 2003 and in 2006 she sold off the fixtures and moved to the States.

You need to consider the niche you are trying to carve out and how well it will resonate with Peruvians. Expats will not keep you in business, there are far to few of us. Tourists not going to help you either, they are here to try Peruvian food.


What type of cuisine did you serve? Where was the restaurant located?
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby rama0929 » Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:20 pm

Kelly wrote:But it does bear considering - Peruvians seem to be slow to catch on to other types of food. I finally convinced my husband to a night out at Chili's - now he won't go to any other restaurant, because he might not like it as much as he liked it there. :?


I tried Chili's while I was there. Something that amazed me about these restaurant chains (Chili's TGIFriday's, Papa Johns, Dominos, Pizza Hut) is that they manage to stay in business despite them being empty the times I've been there or passed by (though Hooters in Larcomar did fail.). A complaint I've heard from my friends is that they're too expensive.

I guess if there were an American style restaurant that could slot in at a cheaper cost, it would do well?
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby rama0929 » Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:37 pm

To build on my previous post, there doesn't seem to be many "American" style of restaurants. There are hamburger joints, but other than KFC and Norkys, I haven't seen many fried chicken (pollo broster) places. I haven't seen any hot dog joints like Nathans or Grays Papaya/Papaya King. Haven't seen any cheesesteak places like Tony Lukes, Pats, or Genos. Nor have I seen any chili restaurants (any style). In NYC, there's a restaurant named "Jive Turkey" that sells fried turkey, I don't think that dish exists in Peru (though I have seen turkey there). Buffalo wings are popular here, though I haven't seen any places that feature them as a main dish as would a place like Buffalo Wild Wings. The Melting Pot is a restaurant built around fondues. No soul food restaurants there either, but that's understandable. I haven't seen any bbq (any region) type restaurants either.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby scott » Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:31 pm

What type of cuisine did you serve? Where was the restaurant located?


Our restaurant served pollo al a brasa and we had a full menu of Chinese. We were located in Pucallpa and had the advantage of owning the building.

We sold menu during the afternoon, about 100 a day. We served dinner from 6:30pm to about 1am, seven days week. We sold an average of 30 chickens a night, usually in quarters. So, we served about 120-150 people per night. My wife and I both have extensive management experience and did a lot of research before opening the restaurant. We did everything by the books, never had an issue with SUNAT.

It was quite profitable and we employed 5 people. We sold our interest in the business to our sister in law and she continued to run the place until 2004(when she got her visa and moved to NJ). We were in business from 1998-1004. Not bad, in my opinion. If we would have stayed in Peru and no gone back to the States for my wife to get a degree and her citizenship, I am confident the place would still be in business.

We thought about opening a new place, but we really were not interested in all the work that it takes to maintain the customer base.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby rama0929 » Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:47 pm

Thanks for the info, Scott.

My gf (fiance) and a few of my friends are trying to convince me to invest in Peru by opening a restaurant, given my experiences here in the states (short order cook, pizzamaker, sandwichmaker, grill, food prep, line chef, etc). I've thought of it, but I am a bit hesitant given that I don't really know the market there. A few people have advised me that I should take an idea from the states and try to implement it there, or give it a Peruvian "twist." In theory, that's a great idea, but I'm afraid that the novelty of being a "gringo in Peru" would wear off after a while, given Lima (the food will be good, I'll have no problems with that :lol: ). I also would plan to do everything above board, and that usually means that it will be expensive.

I too am doing research, trying to figure the logistics of opening/running a restaurant in Lima (preferably in a an area like SMP, or Los Olivos, or Independencia, among other places), trying to run the numbers to see if they'll work. It would be nice to have something of a small kiosk/lunch counter (in terms of size), but I'm not sure if it's feasible or not.

It was recommended that the menu be chicken-based, so I'm thinking fried chicken or bbq'ed chicken or chicken cheesesteak sandwiches, along those lines. I think I have a long way to go before I start planning menus.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby Kelly » Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:52 pm

While there's no shortage of "sandwich" shops, i'd love to see a good hamburger place, with real beef hamburgers. Have N. American and Peruvian specialties, like a bacon cheeseburger alongside a "Huancaina burger" with fried potatoes and Huancaina sauce.
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Re: What's Missing?

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Kelly wrote:While there's no shortage of "sandwich" shops, i'd love to see a good hamburger place, with real beef hamburgers. Have N. American and Peruvian specialties, like a bacon cheeseburger alongside a "Huancaina burger" with fried potatoes and Huancaina sauce.


Isn't the hamburger market saturated? I saw quite a few burger stands when I was there last month. This in addition to Bembos, Burger King and McDonalds. Then again, with all the burger places there, I would think a cheesesteak place would go over well.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby Remigius » Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:16 am

In general, Peruvians aren't adventurous when it comes to food. Whenever you go to a restaurant with foreign food, you'll find tourists and people who have a bond with that kitchen. To open a restaurant, specialised in foreign food, in Lima means a lot of blood, sweat and tears, and failure luring around the corner.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby Remigius » Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:17 am

rama0929 wrote:Isn't the hamburger market saturated?

Peruvians aren't the hamburger-eating kind. Check Jockey Plaza and look at the queues: the longest you'll find in front of KFC's, the shortest at Burger King. Peruvians want chicken!
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby rama0929 » Mon Nov 22, 2010 2:11 pm

Remigius wrote:
rama0929 wrote:Isn't the hamburger market saturated?

Peruvians aren't the hamburger-eating kind. Check Jockey Plaza and look at the queues: the longest you'll find in front of KFC's, the shortest at Burger King. Peruvians want chicken!


To clarify, I was referring more to the street vendors. I saw quite a few hamburger stands my last trip there. I do agree that chicken is popular, given franchises like Norkys, Rokys, KFC, Miami Chicken Grill, etc, etc, etc.

I can see a chicken shack doing quite well in Peru, something with a spicy offering like Popeye's I suppose. I'm a bit surprised that KFC didn't offer their KGC lineup there, but I guess with the proliferation of pollo la brasa spots, it makes sense that they didn't (even though their offering is more grilled than rotisserie'd)
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby Remigius » Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:55 pm

rama0929 wrote:To clarify, I was referring more to the street vendors.

Street vendors, go for: Butifarras or Antichuchos.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby Alpineprince » Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:04 pm

Look at La Lucha's, that gringo is king of the Lima sandwich market now!
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby minos » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:13 am

Hi, I'm Peruvian, and I think if prices were cheap, whatever the type of food, my countrymen would be encouraged to taste it, what happens is that foreign food, for Peruvians is synonymous with expensive. Unfortunately the market so, immediately put expensive dishes!

In addition, advertising is very snobbish, and identify with people living in Miraflores, San Isidro, which scares the Peruvian standard that is rather simple but rich taste, jajjaa
The prices can spend a Peruvian would average 7 to 10 soles per person.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby chi chi » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:21 pm

minos wrote:Hi, I'm Peruvian, and I think if prices were cheap, whatever the type of food, my countrymen would be encouraged to taste it, what happens is that foreign food, for Peruvians is synonymous with expensive. The prices can spend a Peruvian would average 7 to 10 soles per person.


That's why I think that foreign food places are grossly overcharging their customers.
Especially those junk food places like McDonalds, KFC, Tony Roma's, Chilli's...
And Subway??? 15 soles for a simple sarnie.
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Postby Kelly » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:11 am

Funny, when I go anywhere near those places, they are packed full of Peruvians buying.

We went to Chili's for my kids birthday last week, we actually had to wait for a seat.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby americorps » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:15 pm

yea, there is always someone who does not like a restaurant, but if they are overflowing with customers, it means little.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby T-cup » Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:16 am

A GOOD hamburger place is missing - all of the itemized places have crummy burgers, IMO. When I hit the States, the first place I go is a good burger joint. I also miss good Mexican food, not a fan of Como Agua para Chocolate, great decor but the food was third rate. Miss Thai food. I love Mantra, but wish there were more choices for Indian food, Guru was a bust. I really miss a good breakfast with great omelettes, biscuits, hash browns, etc. Are there any?

Also, this is probably not feasible, but I really miss going to English teahouses for tea and scones with pastries, etc. Found this all over in California, and they always did good business, admittedly it is mostly women who go, men don't have much interest in this light food as a rule. Miss barbeque places with greens, mac and cheese, baked beans, etc. Don't know if Peruvians would go for this.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby americorps » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:15 am

A good hamburger place is not missing, it is just super expensive.

I went ahead and shelled out the 30 soles and I must say, I did n ot feel cheated at all, It was simply amazing, good fresh pure ground beef, home made buns, quality toppings, even the fries and onion rings were amazing.

A quality burger exists here, but it is not affordable, I would like to find a happy middle.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby T-cup » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:43 am

Americorps, please tell us where you had the great burger for 30 soles. I only know Carnal and Papacho's, Gaston's hamburger place in Miraflores. I would gladly pay 30 soles for a great burger.????
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby Hitoruna » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:35 am

T-cup wrote:A GOOD hamburger place is missing - all of the itemized places have crummy burgers, IMO. When I hit the States, the first place I go is a good burger joint. I also miss good Mexican food, not a fan of Como Agua para Chocolate, great decor but the food was third rate. Miss Thai food. I love Mantra, but wish there were more choices for Indian food, Guru was a bust. I really miss a good breakfast with great omelettes, biscuits, hash browns, etc. Are there any?

Also, this is probably not feasible, but I really miss going to English teahouses for tea and scones with pastries, etc. Found this all over in California, and they always did good business, admittedly it is mostly women who go, men don't have much interest in this light food as a rule. Miss barbeque places with greens, mac and cheese, baked beans, etc. Don't know if Peruvians would go for this.


Sorry but the idea of cheese or beans is not BBQ to us

BBQ means anticuchos for example
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby rama0929 » Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:33 pm

rama0929 wrote:
I can see a chicken shack doing quite well in Peru, something with a spicy offering like Popeye's I suppose.


There ya go... 8)
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Postby rama0929 » Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:39 pm

Kelly wrote:Funny, when I go anywhere near those places, they are packed full of Peruvians buying.

We went to Chili's for my kids birthday last week, we actually had to wait for a seat.


Interesting. From the looks of it, Chilis has done better in Larcomar than TGIFridays. I haven't seen the crowds in MegaPlaza's Chilis that I've seen in Larcomar.

There have been a few more restaurants built in Larcomar and Plaza Norte, but I don't know how well (or poorly) they're doing.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby rama0929 » Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:40 pm

Hitoruna wrote:
Sorry but the idea of cheese or beans is not BBQ to us

BBQ means anticuchos for example


Which is grilling to us. Parriadas :)

Beans, mac, slaw, greens, etc are all side dishes, not the primary food for barbecue.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby Kelly » Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:11 pm

My kids turned their noses up at baked beans the first time, so I never made them try again. But they like beans in general - like good Peruvians :) - and eventually came around to trying them on their own. It was just the shock of having 'sweet' beans - once they got used to it they like them very much. They liked the regular pork and beans pretty much too - the taste is very similar to carapulcra.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby caliguy » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:29 am

KenH wrote:As a chef I have an inherent distrust of multi-cuisine restaurants. You can do certain styles of Thai well. Or Vietnamese. Or Chinese. But it is almost impossible to do them all well.

What Americans in general call "Mexican food" -- isn't. It's Tex-Mex or Southwestern, but not Mexican. And it's not particularly spicy by itself - that's what salsa are for. Mexican cuisine, for example does not use yellow cheddar cheese; or put a basket of tortilla chips and salsa on your table when you sit down, or serve runny refritos with cheese on top.


well, being from southern California, i can tell you that its not what you described, lol! i like my tacos with fresh chopped onion and cilantro on a warm soft corn tortilla. i guess in Florida its different.
every place has it's own spirit. you just need to tune into it.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby Kelly » Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:39 pm

rama0929 wrote:
Hitoruna wrote:
Sorry but the idea of cheese or beans is not BBQ to us

BBQ means anticuchos for example


Which is grilling to us. Parriadas :)

Beans, mac, slaw, greens, etc are all side dishes, not the primary food for barbecue.



Definitely - cooking something on the grill is something completely different from barbecue, even though barbecue can be done on a grill.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby americorps » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:18 pm

I agree with kelly, anticuchos is NOT BBQ, it is grilling. Grilling at it´s best, but still just grilling.

BBQ meats need to be smoked, not just grilled, the sauces are not simply marinades or seasoning, but part of the marinating and cooking process. How to do it best, what sides are going to be different based on your tasted and traditions, but stil sides are part of the deal, mac and cheese, baked beans, cole slaw, potato salad, pickles, white bread for example are all traditional BBQ sides and part of the experience.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby Hitoruna » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:01 am

Ok, I guess I just translated BBQ for parrilladas.
I guess then you dont call BBQ to the japanese or korean yakiniku.

All this talk about this (for me) strange and appealing food has enticed my curiosity. Which international restaurants sell this? Tony Roma's? Chillys? :|
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby americorps » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:56 am

Hitoruna wrote:Ok, I guess I just translated BBQ for parrilladas.
I guess then you dont call BBQ to the japanese or korean yakiniku.

All this talk about this (for me) strange and appealing food has enticed my curiosity. Which international restaurants sell this? Tony Roma's? Chillys? :|


Tony Romans nor chiles sells read bbq, they sell grilled meats with sauce and because they use BBQ sauce, they call it BBQ, but no, that is not BBQ in the authentic sense.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby Kelly » Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:01 pm

Barbecuing is cooked at low temperature for a long time - if it's done right, it should be tender and fall off the bone.

Grilling is usually cooked at high heat and quickly, so that you get a sear on the outside. A truly well grilled steak will be very well cooked on the outside but still pink in the middle.

Tony Roma's says that they slow smoke their ribs, don't know if it's true or not. Chili's smokes theirs in a pressure smoker to speed up the process - so ... eh. Their ribs aren't the best thing on their menu, I'll just leave it at that.

If you're in the US, look for any place that says "Real pit BBQ".


I think a real, authentic barbecue joint would do well in Lima. It's the one thing my husband misses from the 2 years he lived in Nassau, Bahamas. He still talks about how much he loved going to get a "rib dinner" after he got off work.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby dh2012 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:01 pm

T-cup wrote:Americorps, please tell us where you had the great burger for 30 soles. I only know Carnal and Papacho's, Gaston's hamburger place in Miraflores. I would gladly pay 30 soles for a great burger.????


There is a new gourmet burger place in Barranco that a few expats have set up, i spent around 75 soles one lunchtime for admitedly very good burgers, they also have mini burgers with different flavours which i didnt try but its a nice idea. I was defo very very impressed and i am a big burger fan! Its on grau and called Twist.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby MarcoPE » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:02 pm

dh2012 wrote:There is a new gourmet burger place in Barranco that a few expats have set up, i spent around 75 soles one lunchtime for admitedly very good burgers, they also have mini burgers with different flavours which i didnt try but its a nice idea. I was defo very very impressed and i am a big burger fan! Its on grau and called Twist.


I hate to sound like Chi Chi on this one but was that S/75 for one persons lunch with just one burger (I assume fries and a drink?) ? :shock: If so, for that amount of money, it should go beyond "very good" and pretty much reach into the realm of pure, unadulterated ecstasy! At that kind of price, I won't be rushing over anytime soon.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby chi chi » Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:14 pm

MarcoPE wrote:
dh2012 wrote:There is a new gourmet burger place in Barranco that a few expats have set up, i spent around 75 soles one lunchtime for admitedly very good burgers, they also have mini burgers with different flavours which i didnt try but its a nice idea. I was defo very very impressed and i am a big burger fan! Its on grau and called Twist.


I hate to sound like Chi Chi on this one but was that S/75 for one persons lunch with just one burger (I assume fries and a drink?) ? :shock: If so, for that amount of money, it should go beyond "very good" and pretty much reach into the realm of pure, unadulterated ecstasy! At that kind of price, I won't be rushing over anytime soon.


The high price was because of the size of the burger.

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Re: What's Missing?

Postby dh2012 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:51 pm

chi chi wrote:I hate to sound like Chi Chi on this one but was that S/75 for one persons lunch with just one burger (I assume fries and a drink?) ? If so, for that amount of money, it should go beyond "very good" and pretty much reach into the realm of pure, unadulterated ecstasy! At that kind of price, I won't be rushing over anytime soon.


Lol, 75 soles for 2 people with some beers and sides as well. So good value in my opinion. 75 soles for one burger would be pushing it for sure unless it looked like chi chi's picture!

worth a visit if you like good burgers
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby MarcoPE » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:34 pm

dh2012 wrote:Lol, 75 soles for 2 people with some beers and sides as well. So good value in my opinion. 75 soles for one burger would be pushing it for sure unless it looked like chi chi's picture!

worth a visit if you like good burgers


Excellent. Thanks for the clarification - that sounds a little more reasonable! 8)
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby victmanu » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:57 pm

Can You tell Us what is the name of the burger place ? and where is located ?.
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Re: What's Missing?

Postby dh2012 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:28 pm

victmanu wrote:Can You tell Us what is the name of the burger place ? and where is located ?.



Sure, its called "Twist" and its in barranco heres the facebook page http://www.facebook.com/pages/Twist-Gou ... 94?fref=ts

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