Family planning & birth control in Peru. Your thoughts ?

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Postby tupacperu » Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:14 am

Sorry to be so frank. But no way am I going to get snipped (legs crossing). To me the act of love is the beautiful thing (all the things inbetween). To me it would be like getting to your destination without seeing the scenary (hehehe). So it does not matter to me how I arrive, as long as I get there. :twisted: 8) :lol:


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Postby tupacperu » Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:20 am

Singlefather, you may want to look into the morning-after pill. I would check if the affect last for the rest of the menstrual cycle, after taking the pill. They are available without prescription.
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Postby sonia » Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:12 pm

Singlefather, you may want to look into the morning-after pill. I would check if the affect last for the rest of the menstrual cycle, after taking the pill.


Medical institutions such as the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Mayo Clinic consider morning-after pills only as emergency contraception to be used in cases of rape, unplanned acts of intercourse, or when another birth control method has failed (for example, when a condom breaks). The ingredients in morning-after pills are similar to those in regular birth control pills, only in doses several times higher. They work because human conception rarely occurs in the immediate minutes or hours after intercourse. Side effects are common and include: nausea, vomiting, fatigue, abdominal pain, dizziness, and headaches.

I mention all this just to say that morning-after pills have a place in women's health care, preventing pregnancy in an emergency situation, but shouldn't be viewed as a form of birth control to use routinely.The NIH states that morning-after pills are "actually less effective at preventing pregnancies than most types of birth control".

Hope this helps.

sources: see www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/print/ency/ ... 007014.htm and www.mayoclinic.com/print/morning-after- ... THOD=print for more information.
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Postby David » Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:44 pm

sonia wrote:
Singlefather, you may want to look into the morning-after pill. I would check if the affect last for the rest of the menstrual cycle, after taking the pill.


Medical institutions such as the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Mayo Clinic consider morning-after pills only as emergency contraception to be used in cases of rape, unplanned acts of intercourse, or when another birth control method has failed (for example, when a condom breaks). The ingredients in morning-after pills are similar to those in regular birth control pills, only in doses several times higher. They work because human conception rarely occurs in the immediate minutes or hours after intercourse. Side effects are common and include: nausea, vomiting, fatigue, abdominal pain, dizziness, and headaches.

I mention all this just to say that morning-after pills have a place in women's health care, preventing pregnancy in an emergency situation, but shouldn't be viewed as a form of birth control to use routinely.The NIH states that morning-after pills are "actually less effective at preventing pregnancies than most types of birth control".

Hope this helps.

sources: see www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/print/ency/ ... 007014.htm and www.mayoclinic.com/print/morning-after- ... THOD=print for more information.


Thank you Sonia.
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Postby naturegirl » Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:18 pm

Does anyone know if NuvaRing is available here?
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Postby Rene » Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:56 am

naturegirl wrote:Does anyone know if NuvaRing is available here?

You could contact the company and ask them for details: http://www.nuvaring.com/Consumer/Global ... geID=67545. I used to work for this company (Organon) up to May 2008 and know that NuvaRing has been introduced in some countries but not so many yet. It is a very successful product however where it has been introduced. The company does not have a big presence in Peru, but there is a regional head office in Santiago. So it may come to an InkaPharma near you soon...jajaja.

I have not seen this thread earlier and may be too late already, singlefather may have knocked up his new wife just yet...;-) However I just wanted to add my two cents from what I've learned from working for the inventor of the contraceptive pill and the NuvaRing.

With regards to the reliability of certain methods, not all advices are statistically correct. First, "the rythm" is the least reliable. How accurate you measure and all, the period is not always regular (and different for each woman) and the temperature swings very minor and therefore easy to misinterpret... it's easy to make a mistake. The pill is very reliable (> 99%) if taken correctly... but the problem is in that condition. Not only can a woman forget to take it one day, if she would have to vomit one day then the pill has lost its reliability for the next two weeks. Other very effective hormonal solutions are NuvaRing (once a month vaginal ring) and implants like Implanon (a single rod under the skin that works up to 3 years). The patch is a very easy application, but the reliability is only 96-97%, so it does not protect that well and it is under investigation for alleged higher than acceptable risks for thrombosis. The reliability of the rubber is between the before mentioned methods, about 98-99%. But it is the only contraceptive that protects against STD's (yes, HIV is also an STD). And there are still several other methods.

Regarding the health issues, it is absolutely something to watch. It is for that reason that it is available only by prescription in many countries. Unfortunately Peru is not so strict and you can buy the pills at each pharmacy. Side-effects of the hormone-based contraceptives can be things such as nausea, bloating etc resulting from swings in hormone-levels (similar as what happens when the woman gets her period, don't we all know that guys?), but more importantly it causes a higher risk of thrombosis. Later generations of the pill have reduced that risk by using different hormones, novelties like NuvaRing or Implanon reduce the side-effects my minimizing the dose of hormones through continuous release. There is no scientific proof that the use of any hormone-based contraceptives reduces the chance of becoming pregnant. The effect of age is much stronger though...

Why the Peruvian ladies do not like contraception is also for me an unknown. From what I've heard from my future Peruvian wife and many of her female friends I conclude that part of the problem is misinformation about the side-effects. One of them is that for sure you'll gain weight. You may, it is one of the possible side-effects, but you won't know until you try. Also, most of her friends do not know much about their own system, when they're fertile, how the cycle works etc. I think that that is the direct consequence of the fact that in a catholic society as the Peruvian still is talking about it is still not done. Well, singlefather, you should be glad that at least your wife is willing to go visit a specialist to discuss the option.. it is a good start.
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Postby naturegirl » Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:34 pm

The side effects have helped me. They raised my blood pressure so I no longer feel like fainting once a month. Got rid of nauseua so I can eat and drink every day, and helped me gain a lot of weight Luckily, my husband is happy with the weight gain and I-m happy with the rest of the stuff. My only complaint is the killer migraines I get once a month at night.
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Postby Rene » Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:17 pm

Just of the press: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24 ... 98,00.html

This article clearly expresses the position of the Vatican on the subject of contraception. This will certainly have some influence on the mindset of the Peruvian people on this topic, as many still follow the Vatican closely (although not in everything).
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Postby americorps » Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:30 pm

Skips comments would only make sense if Peruvians were not having an average of more than 2 babies per couple, and that average is not dropping to that level anytime soon to this country. It is a common and regular practice in third world agricultural communities for familes to have many children to run the farms. I am not making a comment on if that is right or wrong, just that it happens.

I will just ignore any comments that women are obligated to breed for any reason, their body, their choice..period.

Rhythm method is only about 30% effective, hence...what do you call someone who practices the rhythm method???.....Pregnant. tarollins singular experience does NOTHING to change the reality as documented by statistics.

I too have heard Peruvians brag about not using birth control, and I also know it is very common that they deny responsibility and spread nasty rumors about girls they get pregnant to avoid doing the right thing.

Abortion happens, and happens quite regularly, so the real question for Peru is NOT is it proper, a sin or the best option, the question should be..since our women and girls are doing it, should we let them do it in a dirty back alley or in a safe professional way.

The morning after pill, I agree, should ONLY be an option of last resort or urgent need, just google it. It is reasonable and at times the best option.

It is, however, an epidemic of men refusing to accept responsibility for the topic and I do not see that changing anytime soon, though it well should. I remember once reading a bumper sticker that said if men got pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament. Sarcasm aside and insensitivity to the Catholic faith aside, I suspect it just might be true.

However, until men change, my urge is for full and open education for girls beginning at a very young age to stress abstinance but to not ignore the fact that abstinance only education simply does not work..so enhance that with full education and access to all family planning options.

I too am taken aback that men will not allow their women to do...whatever..as I was unaware that they were to be subservient. I am not urging chemical options, but I think all the information and treatments should be made available and the women or girl to decide for herself.
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Postby Kelly » Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:40 pm

Maybe because it's a small private school, but my boys have received very good, age appropriate sex ed there. This year, both of them had to make models of human reproduction organs, and my younger boy had to do an exposition on the stages of pregnancy, with visual aids.

With my paranoia, of course, I've made sure they both know how to use a condom already, and why they should - my oldest will be 12 this month, and I knew kids who were having sex at 12 when i was in middle school.
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Postby curlyguy18 » Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:43 pm

I get the feeling that many couples here start having babies as soon as they get married (if not before) and it's like, they're expected to. My cousin got his wife pregnant a month after they got married. My other cousin didn't get pregnant until after 5 months she got married and everyone in the family was like, "so when are you having a baby?" I'm not sure if this is a Peruvian thing, but most couples I know get pregnant very soon after they get married and, it seems like the catholic church has some influence in the whole birth control thing.

What are some side effects when a man gets fixed? Weight gain? Inability to ejaculate? is it reversible?
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Postby scubagirl01 » Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:47 pm

I don't think anyone here mentioned another option: Fertility Awareness Method, which is NOT the Rhythm Method. There is a really good book that explains this method in detail called "Taking Charge of Your Fertility" by Toni Weschler.

"The Fertility Awareness Method is simply a means of understanding human reproduction. It is based on the observation and charting of scientifically proven fertility signs that determine whether or not a woman is fertile on any given day. The three primary fertility signs are waking temperature, cervical fluid, and cervical position (the last one being an optional sign that simply corroborates the first two)."

It has nothing to do with when your last period was, or how long your normal cycle is. You actually learn to keep track of very detailed scientific information and the book provides resources to further your education should you prefer classes. It really is a comprehensive resource not just for women who are looking for natural birth control, but also for women who are having trouble getting pregnant (since this book is all about learning when you are fertile, you can use the information how you choose).

As far as men needing self control, I don't see why. With the information you gain in this book you know when you can have unprotected sex and you also know when you need to use protection should you decide to continue to have sex during a fertile time.

Hope this is useful for someone out there still looking for natural (and reliable) methods.
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scubagirl01 wrote:I don't think anyone here mentioned another option: Fertility Awareness Method, which is NOT the Rhythm Method. There is a really good book that explains this method in detail called "Taking Charge of Your Fertility" by Toni Weschler.

"The Fertility Awareness Method is simply a means of understanding human reproduction. It is based on the observation and charting of scientifically proven fertility signs that determine whether or not a woman is fertile on any given day. The three primary fertility signs are waking temperature, cervical fluid, and cervical position (the last one being an optional sign that simply corroborates the first two)."

It has nothing to do with when your last period was, or how long your normal cycle is. You actually learn to keep track of very detailed scientific information and the book provides resources to further your education should you prefer classes. It really is a comprehensive resource not just for women who are looking for natural birth control, but also for women who are having trouble getting pregnant (since this book is all about learning when you are fertile, you can use the information how you choose).
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Hope this is useful for someone out there still looking for natural (and reliable) methods.


I would suggest to use this method only for what it is intended: to get pregnant.

This method is very similar to the rythm method, just a bit more scientific in determining the cycle. But about reliability, I quote from http://www.fwhc.org/birth-control/fam.htm

"Of 100 women who limit vaginal intercourse during their fertile time, between 2 to 20 will become pregnant during the first year."

And you still need to use another birth control method (or abstinence) for 1/3 of the cycle.

Not a method I would recommend my daughter if I had one.

scubagirl01 wrote:As far as men needing self control, I don't see why. With the information you gain in this book you know when you can have unprotected sex and you also know when you need to use protection should you decide to continue to have sex during a fertile time.

I think Americorps refers particularly to the men that pressure the girl to have sex without protection, even if she does not want to. Unfortunately that happens more to often. At the same time, it is also a responsibility of the woman. But at the same time there are also plenty of woman who choose not to use protection, simply because for them it feels better. And as you said they should better understand when it is not safe to do that.
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Postby naturegirl » Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:04 am

NFP, Natural Family Planning, is supposed to be as effective as the pill, if used correctly. A friend of mine in the US runs classes about it, and tried to have me to it, wouldn-t have worked for us though.
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Postby timothy » Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:53 am

No one has ever gotten pregnant from Oral Sex.

Oral sex is when you don't actually do it,

you just talk about it.
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Postby americorps » Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:44 am

Naturgirl,

While technically true, Natural Family planning is seldom used perfectly and as a result has a WHO failure rate of 25%

The best non chemical forms of birth control besides abstinance is vasectomy (0.2% failure) or the Mirena IUD (0.1% failure)
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Postby naturegirl » Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:32 am

I guess that-s the problem, NFP relies on people and the pill relies on itself.
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Postby Judahslamb » Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:22 pm

David wrote:Maria,

I did not mean to suggest that I would not allow my wife to do anything. She has a free will.

What I was doing was agreeing in general with the statement from TA.

I'll add this though, I don't like the idea of using chemicals to alter what the body does on a natural basis. Just like I am not in favor of people taking drugs to alter the mental state.

There are/can be long lasting effects if to much are taken


Amen!! The research is out there if you are willing to look. I was reading a book once on Natural Family Planning (here is another option) and I came across something like this: "why break something that is working perfectly fine." It is such a true statement, we women are designed to have babies, this is the way our bodies work so why should we put something into our bodies that disrupts the way they are suppossed to work? I am not against "birth control" but feel it should be natural... do some research in this area, she may be more comfortable with that idea. Oh and yes, it does take a bit of restraint!
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Postby singlefather » Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:07 pm

Update:

Well my wife did not get pregnant yet for now when I got married in mid December of last year.... Picture me mopping my brow and letting out a sigh of relief.

We had a real challenging time about dealing with family planning in person..

I debated telling this or not but I actually had to sleep on the couch one night because her feeling were hurt and she was upset that I insisted on using condoms always.. lol

It was my fault I ended on the couch because after she got upset and a little mad over it. I started laughing uncontrollably in bed about the ridiculousness of the situation of me getting in the dog house over condoms. lol.. I was laughing so hard that I was crying..

( Note to men and myself don't ever laugh at your wives over something that they consider a serious matter ) .

She thought and felt that since we are married and love each other that we don't need to use condoms always so we can feel that au natural feeling.

Even though we had talked about it a lot on the phone and webcam/voice chat before there was still misunderstanding.

All of her sisters , cousins and friends don't use any family planning. They use mostly the withdrawal method which is not very reliable I would say and takes a lot of self control..

After lots of talking and explaining our points of view we did not have any more problems..

That did not stop her from trying to entice me to forget the condom..

I have no complaints about the enticements though. :D :oops:

After discussing it we had a good laugh when I told her I felt like the blushing girl trying to protect her virtue ( actually the blushing :oops: groom not wanting his wife to get pregnant yet ).

Communication is the key in any relationship especially when you have some language or cultural differences.

Our kids and I returned to Canada in mid January.



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Postby naturegirl » Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:16 pm

That's great. My husband's the same way. NO kids. BUt I'm the one watching out for that. When are you planning on having kids?
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Postby singlefather » Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:15 pm

naturegirl wrote:That's great. My husband's the same way. NO kids. BUt I'm the one watching out for that. When are you planning on having kids?


Hi Sharon,

Well I am all for having a baby together but I did not want her getting pregnant before we got to spend more time together.. I would want her on the prenatal vitamins for at least 4 months before we plan to get pregnant together.

What is that important mineral that helps prevent birth defects that a woman should take ?

I want to be with my wife for all those doctor visits and feeling the baby grow inside her plus the ultimate of getting kicked out of bed by junior trying to escape early with all his/her kicking.

Also we agreed to wait at least 1 year after my wife gets to Canada so she has more time to bond with our children. Our daughter is 12 going 13 this summer and my son is 9 going on 10 this summer.

My wife just turned 33 and I just turned 47. I love my wife with all my heart , soul and being and would never deny her the chance to get pregnant and have a little baby. I love babies and kids..

Gentlemen if you are married and have no kids yet I tell you that babies and kids are a joy. Also when your wife gets it in her head that she wants to get pregnant and have a baby.. Well it will happen quick , getting pregnant that is..

Men you will get calls at work saying honey my temperature has changed get your butt home right now and lets get busy pronto.. lol



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Postby naturegirl » Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:44 pm

folic acid.
But there are tons more. Iodine is super important, just don't take it while pregnant. I'm currently taking one that 's 8333% more than the RDV, just goes to show how low the RDV actually is.

She should get, or you should get a book on pregnancy.

One last things, gel caps are better than compressed tabs. The compressed stuff is worthless, your body can't break it down, so it just literally goes right through you.
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Postby singlefather » Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:16 am

Thanks Sharon for all the tips..

Jeff aka singlefather no more

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Postby David » Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:22 pm

naturegirl wrote:folic acid.
But there are tons more. Iodine is super important, just don't take it while pregnant. I'm currently taking one that 's 8333% more than the RDV, just goes to show how low the RDV actually is.

She should get, or you should get a book on pregnancy.

One last things, gel caps are better than compressed tabs. The compressed stuff is worthless, your body can't break it down, so it just literally goes right through you.


Sharon,

Are you taking iodine in that amount? Be careful and speak to an MD. Iodine builds up in the liver or Thyroid and can be very harmful, if I'm not mistaken.

I don't know if Iodine is added to table salt in Peru like here in the States but I don't think that much is needed.

Check things out.
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Postby sonia » Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:13 pm

Naturegirl,

I would also be cautious when using iodine supplements. Most everybody gets all they need and more through iodized salt ("sal yodada")and other foods like seafood and dairy products. Iodine deficiency is rare except in communities where there are no iodized products like salt, no seafood in the diet, and the soil has been depleted of iodine. Iodized salt is sold at every supermarket in Lima.

Excess iodine messes up the thyroid gland and can cause its enlargement. I avoid any multivitamin and mineral supplement that contains iodine because I know I get enough in what I eat.
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Postby naturegirl » Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:20 pm

Thanks, but don't worry, I?m fine. DOn't eat meat or fish or use salt. And people in ASia eat about 15mg per day, I'll be fine.

THE RDA for the USA isn't something that I strongly believe in.
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Postby Jalapenomel » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:58 am

Where do you purchase prenatal vitamins here? Is it something that can be asked for at the pharmacy?
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Postby lizzym » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:36 pm

Jalapenomel, to answer your question, yes you can pick them up at any pharmacy. Our doctor recommended Supradyn Pronatal, but I'm sure there are other brands too. It's about 30 soles for a month's supply if I remember correctly.
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Postby Jalapenomel » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:16 pm

lizzym wrote:Jalapenomel, to answer your question, yes you can pick them up at any pharmacy. Our doctor recommended Supradyn Pronatal, but I'm sure there are other brands too. It's about 30 soles for a month's supply if I remember correctly.

Thanks! I ran out in January, and sadly, I haven't been on top of getting them lately.
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Postby Formidable 1 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:03 pm

singlefather wrote:
rgamarra wrote:[
I tell my husband he's getting it snipped, because I'm not getting it tied and I'm not getting knocked up after 30.

Rhythm or not, there comes a time to get "fixed."

I know you men are cringing and cradling the boys just reading that. :lol: :lol: :lol:



We men must rescue rgamarra husband :lol: .. Yes all us men are in pain just reading this.. ouch..

In all seriousness this is something we men have to have fixed sometimes as well. It just hurts thinking about it.. Please doctor don't let that knife slip well I am out under general anaesthetic..

I could imagine being on the operating table.. Doc lets talk about this we are both men and if you could just show me where the back door is and let me make a run for it before my wife finds out I would be very grateful.


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Sure makes me cringe, singlefather. I agree, always good to know where the back door is.

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